Saturday, January 8, 2011

What really gets to me...

Now, I realise alot of things get to me nowadays, but yet I always get in control of them after a little rant.

But the one thing that really gets under my skin, scratching away is: The AFL's lies.
I read alot of blogs about myself, and take most of them with a grain of salt, but recently, this one paragraph keeps blowing up in my face, which I cannot refuse to express my anger and concern about it anymore..

“There would have been at least 20 occasions were there has been meetings that we (AFL) have been involved in with this girl and we’ve also provided her with counseling service, support services, certainly accommodation, we’ve offered her assistance to provide counselling, we’ve offered support to her parents. We take these matters very seriously when we’ve got a person in our organisation that's responsible for looking after these matters."


I don't understand how the AFL can continue to say that, and lie to the media - Obviously to make themselves look better.
But let's talk truth for a moment;



1- Meeting with the AFL at least 20 times?
  • They're kidding you, as I recall; I've only ever walked through the doors of the AFL house a maximum amount of 5 times.

    The First: Back in May, when things were first released to the public and AFL; RE: Pregnancy.

    The Second:
    A private investigative matter.

    The Third: As above.

    The Fourth: Around November was the last time I made contact with Sue Clark (Head of Respect and Responsibility), I'd organised to meet with her a few days before hand to give a statement on Steven Baker (Of St.Kilda; #10) sending me abusive facebook messages which were completely irrelevant, in respect that I'd never met him before. On the day, Clark asked to see the photo's which she had obviously heard about through Ricky Nixon a few days prior.
    Clark saw them, and just advised me not to publish them out of respecting their privacy.
    No threats, No [DO NOT DO THAT], nothing really, just a simple "I don't think you should do that, but it's your decision."

    So, summing that rumour up, If in the AFL world, they choose to "times (x5)" everything by 5, then sure I did meet them 20 times?


2. Provided me with Counselling, Accommodation and Support Services?
Oh, okay? This is news to me.

I'd LOVE to know when I was offered counselling! I was never offered counselling
, accommodation, support services, counselling with my parents? Nothing!
Now, that I am confused with.

As I recall, I remember showing up to the AFL house, and having to give an almost 2 hour Phone conference statement to Sue Clark; regarding a sexual assault matter, involving a player.
How comforting, exploiting details of my horrible experience through a phone that's on loudspeaker with two other people I've never met before in the room.

After Sue learnt that I had no-where to stay that night, and after "Trying her hardest", She resulted in calling "Beck" who I mentioned earlier in my other blogs.
Tell me how a multi-million? Billion? dollar company cannot afford $80 a night for a hotel.
Regardless, I was happy to go back with Beck, but still, I didn't feel satisfied in what had just happened; Not the accommodation, the statement.

Jumping back to May, After I left the AFL house, Sue gave me a lecture, like she does in most times that I meet with her, and I could just tell by the tone of her voice that nothing was going to eventuate from my statement, everyone would be cleared of any wrong-doing.
And as I sat in the conference room recently; I again could read her voice.

I can tell now, nothing is going to happen. I don't know why I bother sometimes, In-between her saying "Riiighhhttttt" (For anyone who's met her will understand what I'm talking about),the poker-face; Similar to the psychologist I was talking about earlier, and the tone in her voice which shows NO sympathy.

She's a tough lady to read, but it was crystal clear to me what was going to happen.

I just wish that the AFL would realise that I will stand up to them, and even though I know that the amount of people on my side is barely a 30:70 ratio, I feel strong that I'm telling this story.

We can only wait and see what happens.
Kim. x x


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richardwatts said...

Keep up the fight Kim - there's a hell of a lot of people on your side.

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Daisy said...

Nothing is going to happen - you are going to fade away into nothingness...with a little luck. I'd see something about that little touch of narcissism though.

Glenstar said...

This rebuttal is well overdue, but necessary for balance. Well done.

The Birdwatcher said...

Kim, keep at it..... I fear St Kilda will try to make you agree to a settlement that precludes you from talking bout specifics..... Many many many of us are willing to support you, whatever form it takes. I want you to be able to move into a successful life where you can leave the St Kilda Schoolgirl tag behind. Some of us would like some guidance as to how proactive you want us to be. I have some q's I want to resolve, but not in a public forum.... follow me on twitter so I can DM you, text me, or inbox me via the FB page we set up after the earlier versions were axed.

You are amazingly resiliant, courageous, and far, far more intelligent than the mob are giving you credit for :)

Grant

Bam McGuinness said...

I would say the ration for your side of the story is getting higher by the day.
The longer the AFL postpone dealing with matters like this, the worse it will be when it finally comes to light. People will lose jobs, reputations will be damaged, some beyond repair and you, Kim, will be proven to be the victim in this farce.
I love my footy, but I hate bullies more.

Kacey said...

Keep it up kim!

Although i'm 50:50 about all this I'm impressed that you, a 17 year old girl, has the guts to stand up for yourself and other girls that have been in this situation and show the AFL that they can't get away with it!!! There is no way i could do that and i'm 22.

Just remember who you can trust and go back to when things get shit. And think before you speak even if it is what you believe in.

xx

Kim Isabella Duthie said...

@iCoach:
Why do you continue to read my blogs and post irrelevant comments, you can't keep on denying the lies, the truth will eventually be released..

Braid said...

@Kim

Have you decided what the truth is yet?

Zorro said...

Daisy

Nor do we appreciate footballers who harass, rape, lie and treat woman like dogs.

St Kilda are the laughing stock of the AFL, they are obviously more focussed on drinking and sex than football.

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Kim Isabella Duthie said...

So you're basing that I'm a liar, just in regards to those photo's?
Can I ask about everything else?
That just gets swept under the carpet?
It's all about the photo's?
Pathetic!
There is more to this story than just the photo's, as I've mentioned above.
And the only thing you can stand on is the photo's, I notice how you didn't comment on anything else, is that because you realise that st.kilda and the afl have done wrong by me?

Daisy said...

@Zorro...

Err...there is only one person doing the "harassing" here. This will not end well for anyone involved.

I personally don't believe a word of so-called "rape". She has freely admitted to the world that she loved every minute of it. What we have here is an angry jilted young woman who doesn't know when to come in out of the rain.

Daisy said...

Yes Kim - you are a liar.

Good liars are consistent...you add something new to your story every time you open your mouth.

The Birdwatcher said...

@iCoach 2.0 Have some guts... who are you? Are you in the employ of the AFL, or any other affiliated league, or a volunteer for any affiliated football club? Go and read the relevant AFL Policies, then re-read your post. A big man describing impressionable 16yo girls (about a dozen of them) as sluts to be fucked?

Get off on your next footy trip.

Zorro said...

icoach you're a joke....you typify the kind of attitudes the St Kilda players have for woman and exactly why the club is full of rapists, bisexual party boys and bullies.

Zorro said...

Bird

He is obviously a St Kilda player

Kim Isabella Duthie said...

@i coach, No-one want's you here.
Make like a tree.

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Kim Isabella Duthie said...

I never claimed I was raped by any of the players in the photo's.
And I'm sorry, how was I proven that I was lying?
Has there been a police statement saying that I stole the photo's ?
All that was released was a photo of a hotel.
Excuse me for saying, but you have no legs to stand on.
You're just jumping to conclusions, without proven facts.
And you can't deny that anything I just said isn't true.
GET OFF MY BLOG.

The Birdwatcher said...

iCoach 2.0 be man enough to drop your anonymous cloak. Are you involved in sanctioned football? And before you say it isn't relevant, it certainly is - as you have no business being involved with children or young adults with your attitude to sexually active young women.

I dare you.

RV said...

thanks kim! Could always tell that AFL were lying and twisting facts. I would love for you to give me Sue Clark's email address.

Her job is to protect women and all she does is clear them of any fault -Fevola with Bingle photo, Fevola flashing that woman in Brisbane, you a 16yr old [i still don't know how st k 'did nothing wrong whatsoever' - i know you might've thought of yourself as in control of your sex life but you're actually not emotionally mature enough - which is why it angers me that Sue clark's bullshit rights and responsibilities even says it's okay to be with a 16 yr old - footballers should not be encouraged to take advantage of young women]

Anyway Sue is a puppet of the AFL and needs to have her ass handed to her - she is useless at her job and with the rise in reporting of assaults perpetrated by footballers (and the police failing to protect women or uphold the law - just look at the Milne case) makes her look pretty pointless.

I have an interest in you because i'm actually starting a thesis on the misogyny and violence in AFL sport culture. Hope we can stay in contact. email: rvh_83@hotmail.com

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CKA said...

Kim I support you 100%. The way you have been treated is disgraceful. I hope you get your life on track, go to school and make a success of your life.

Ignore the negative comments. Anyone who thinks it's OK to attack a teenager really in my opinion, has serious mental issues.

The Birdwatcher said...

Kim.... Daisy wouldn't be a well-known Collingwood player?

Kim Isabella Duthie said...

WHAT!
How the F*ck did I ask for money to be put into my fathers account?!
That is my email account, and the account details I gave to someone were my bank details.
see what I mean? You're making things up again!!!!!
And I didn't realise Formule' 1 on Elizabeth St was a 5 start hotel? Wow...
And giving BJ's to taxi drivers? What are you on?
Honestly, there is no need for you to be posting comments on here; you make no sense, and you continue to jump to conclusions without knowing the facts.
I don't even know why I'm wasting my time, more to the pont, why are you wasting your time trying to shut me down, you do realise nothing will stop me?
hahaha, you make me laugh!

CKA said...

Kim has answered enough questions. What about the guys who are hiding behind the AFL cloak? Why are they silent?

The Birdwatcher said...

From what I see, it is ONLY Kim answering any direct questions.

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The Birdwatcher said...

ICoach 2.0 Are you involved in sanctioned football activities? Make yourself known if you have the stones.

CKA said...

icoach is a stalker in my opinion.

iCoach 2.0 said...

Birdwatcher, if I recall correctly, the footballers in question have given their word that they have never even met Kim. She has yet to prove otherwise. Until she does prove that, there is no case to answer. Let's think about this for a while. She swore that she took the photos herself while having group sex with the players in Melbourne. They've since proved the photos were taken overseas. What am I missing? Why are you taking the word of a proven liar?

SystemRat said...

Kim.

Good luck and thank you for filling in some of the details. It's clear the AFL and St Kilda are interested in nothing more than trying to hide what has really happened and are try to intimidate you into silence. The fact they coached you through the police interview speaks volumes that there respect and responsibility clap trap is just spin. The police should reopen that case and investigate why St Kilda or the AFL where allowed to interfere it's just not right.

It would not surprise me at all if iCoach 2.0 was connect to the AFL he acts and speaks like it. Please stay strong and I really hope Hinch get stuck into this when he gets back on air.

sarah said...

@iCoach -- Even if you were right with all the vile things you say about Kim, wtf do you care?? Seems you just get off on calling Kim a "slut" and kicking her while she's down. That doesn't reflect well on the kind of person you are and the kind of baggage you carry.

@Kim I guess you do read these comments :-| Keep your head up high -- you'll be OK :) I don't support everything you've done but I am even more disgusted by the AFL's attempts to destroy you. I can't encourage you to keep going, because I think this is taking an emotional toll on you that's larger than it's worth, but I do hope this thing gets settled and you can be happy and go back to your life and family xx

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Anna said...

Kim, I'm not trying to make any judgements, but didn't you just want to take revenge on the St. Kilda Football Club for how you perceived you were being treated once you found out you were pregnant? I thought this was done when you posted the photos. I really think others are now pushing you into a direction that you didn't originally planned to go. I'd really hate for you to be swept up in something that you will regret in later life.

iCoach 2.0 said...

@systemrat - you said "The fact they coached you through the police interview speaks volumes that there respect and responsibility clap trap is just spin"

May I ask you, how do you know that she was coached through the police interview? Who told you this? Hinch? Kim?
No one else would have told you this because it didn't happen.

The Birdwatcher said...

Kim, you found it necessary to delete my comment?

iCoach 2.0 said...

Birdwatcher - she deletes ALL comments that don't 100 percent support her. That's how she reconciles to herself that people out there support the slut.

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iCoach 2.0 said...

@CKA I thought that to prove libel, the comments had to be untruthful. I've not said anything that isn't true 100 percent. If you show me otherwise and I'll certainly retract and apologise.

The Birdwatcher said...

I have spent a lot of time defending Kim recently, very publicly, and certainly to my detriment in some circles. Seems odd to be censoring a supporter. Hoping there is some personal contact to convince me I have been pushing the right barrow.

iCoach 2.0 said...

@Birdwatcher, while you may think you have been a solid supporter of Kim's, you haven't been doing her any favours with some of your comments of late. While your intentions are honest, her agenda is a little different.

The Birdwatcher said...

Happy to be advised by Kim on any matter regarding her agenda or what might be helpful. I like the advice to come from the horse.

Kim Isabella Duthie said...

Oh god, when my father set up our internet - he first used emails, and I used that email address to use msn.
then, since then around year 7, he hasn't used a computer, because I downloaded to many things and back then , you had to pay for the extra usage, so dad had the internet disconnected.
I got a laptop soon after, and everyone from my high school had that email address, so i never bothered to make a new one?
what is so hard to believe about that??
I've had it since I was little!
ha, it makes me laugh at how pathetic you are.

Greggy said...

Icoach is just playing out his own weird sex fantasy's. Too much of what he has said is just gratuitous, replying to him is just encouraing this little sexual deviant.
He sounds very creepy. Would not be surprised to find him on some sort of predator list.

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RV said...

#fyi i was talking about maturity relating to 'consensual' r/ships - no reference to any assault you may have experienced!

The Birdwatcher said...

Kim, you aren't the only person to have kept a prehistoric hotmail address.... I didn't get the same impression when I read about the email and looking for some money into your account. I think its a matter of prejudice from your critics. Formulae 1 rooms are oversized shower recesses.... hardly 5 star lol

iCoach 2.0 said...

Don't worry about the clarification RV - she's already deleted your original post because you don't support her 100 percent.

iCoach 2.0 said...

@Birdwatcher - if there's nothing sus about her using her fathers email and bank account to collect funds for her $80 a room motel unit, how come she won't tell us how many of her followers donated $80 that night. Let's do a little math here. She claims to have over 100,000 followers. Now if only 1 in every hundred gave her the money, that's $80,000 she "earned" in one night. That could certainly explain the 5 star hotel and limo rides and the night out on the town the next night. Can you blame her from stretching her 10 minutes of fame out? And you are trying to shut her down. No wonder she is deleting your posts.

The Birdwatcher said...

And iCoach, if she has to divulge personal financial issues, why don't you step up and answer the question, are you involved in any sanctioned football activity? You demand personal details from Kim, volunteer some of your own please? 5th request?

Who cares if she got given money? Less annoying than begging outside maccas.

iCoach 2.0 said...

@Birdwatcher - no, I'm not affiliated or associated with any footy club. I can just smell a rat when I see one. It should be obvious to you now that she is deleting your posts as well. The only explanation for deleting your posts is because that she wants the attention she's getting to continue, but you are trying to get her to go to ground. If she can get $80,000 in donations per night for as long as she can draw this out, she's not going to stop anytime soon. I assume that you were one of the ones who gave the $80 to her fathers bank account?

brenda said...

@Kim,

Kim seeing as you appear to be answering some questions can i ask you one please.

without getting into an argument with you , why did you hurt Those 3 guys in the pics? did they actually do anything to you?

if so what?

if not, have you appologised to them?

The Birdwatcher said...

iCoach, just to clarify, no I didn't give her any money, but I think a 17yo with no parental support and nowhere to live certainly might attract substantial support. I imagine many, many people have helped her. I don't see her asking people she regards as friends/supporters helping her out in any negative light. I don't care if any magazine paid her. It's irrelevant. All the other people making statements are being paid in some way by football.

And to be very clear, I asked if you were involved in any sanctioned football activity. That is a broader ambit than being involved in a club. In other words, are you under the auspices of any AFL policy by any affiliations or associations you have?

iCoach 2.0 said...

Birdwatcher - how do you know the 17 yo has no parental support? Everything else she has said has been a lie - so how do we know she doesn't live at home with mommy and daddy? After all, it was dads email and bank account. Surely if he has disowned her (as she claimed), she wouldn't have access to his account details.
As for the last question, no - I'm not involved in ANY way with any club activity.

Braid said...

@Kim

Why did you lie about the provenance of the photos? Why did you continue to lie about them once the truth was uncovered?

Zorro said...

and here is the refreshed for you Daisy

St Kilda players lie, abandon pregnant girls, prey on children, shave their pubic hair, rape girls (2004 and 2010)...the list goes on

The Birdwatcher said...

I don't accept everything else Kim has said has been a lie. The players have issued press releases, as have the Club. Sworn statements have only been concerned with photos and where they originated. Crimes alluded to have been copyright breaches and telecommunications breaches. Privacy and damage to reputation issues are civil and not "crimes" as some spokesmen have been saying to muddy the water.

I believe Kim for the same reason I have to accept it when you say you are not involved in football in any way, although Kim has more credibility because I know who she is. I am sure I know a lot more about her (as does half of MElb) than she wishes that I and the rest of the public do. I have no idea who you are, but you ask me and everyone else to take you on trust. I understand why people WANT it all to be false, but it all has a PR-managed smell to it, emanating from St Kilda and AFL House. I fucked up a lot when I was 16 and 17. I am happy to allow Kim to make the same errors of judgement that many kids do. I don't afford the same luxury to much older people with vested interests, and the best advice money can buy.

iCoach 2.0 said...

@Zorro,
How do you know that? Because Kim told you?

Zorro said...

no I icoach because one has been arrest for rape and Milne got off because pressure was put on the detective involved

we have picture of the gay captain shaving his hair and it looks like Dawson was about to get serious with the condom

we all know who the liars are , St Kilda are the scum of global male sports and when i see them on the fieled i will spit in their faces

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CKA said...

I offered to give Kim money that night and she didn't take it so I don't know where this icoach is talking about. 100,000 followers...OK. Kim just delete him if you can. Your only fueling his taunts.

Birdwatcher at 16 I did worse, believe me.......

iCoach 2.0 said...

@zorro, I don't understand the connection between shaving your pubes and being a rapist? Or wearing a condom or having gay sex and being a liar and a scumbag? It seems you have issues that are so last century.

How can a photo of someone with shaved pubes "prove" that he is a rapist for goodness sakes?

CKA said...

Daisy Don't take up space cutting and pasting. Offer something of value or just go away.

iCoach 2.0 said...

@CKA if the reports are true that over 1000 people transfered up to $80 each into her fathers bank account that night, that would explain why she asked you to delay your payment. Even the banks would get suspicious why all these payments were being transferred and might refer it to the police. She's obviously after attention, but not THAT type of attention.

brenda said...

To the people calling certain football players rapists, i would be treading very very lightly and would advise deleting those comments.

there is no doubt these blogs are being watched and any allegations of such magnitude would be looked at and you CAN be prosecuted.

CKA said...

brenda is right. Also anyone calling Kim names better watch out. It works both ways.

Zorro said...

Montagna and Milne RAPISTS !

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/st-kilda-players-in-shock-sex-cover-up-claim/story-e6frf7jo-1225882432318

THE mother of the woman who claimed to have been raped by St Kilda players Leigh Montagna and Stephen Milne has broken the family's silence.

Speaking to Channel 9 earlier tonight she said the family was hopeful yesterday’s allegations that members of Victoria police had been threatened and intimidated while conducting a case against the players, ultimately leading to its collapse in 2004, would see the case re-opened.

“We were bitterly disappointed with the result six years ago, but we had finally managed to get our lives back together,” the mother said.

Lovett is a RAPIST

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/02/15/2820175.htm

St Kilda AFL recruit Andrew Lovett has been charged with raping a woman after a night out with team-mates.

Lovett, 27, will appear in Melbourne Magistrates Court on Friday, charged with one count of rape.

Detectives from the South Melbourne Criminal Investigation Unit have charged the 27-year-old Lovett on summons, meaning he was not arrested or placed in custody.

Scumbag club of professional rapists .....I hope every player in the AFL remind them every game they play

The Birdwatcher said...

ICoach - If the players truly deny things, lets see them from a press conference and answer the hard questions, not a managed affair where they read a statement. Better yet, lets see some sworn evidence in Court. I don't simply accept anything that has been issued as a media release. I have personal knowledge of a similar case of a 16yo girl and her friends involved with players from a football club that has been in the news recently, and what occurred then was disturbingly similar. Beware a CEO speaking for an errant footballer.

Kim is not saying she is or was angel, but they chose the wrong girl to dump on and threaten. Let's let the police cases re the Milne investigation run its course. Let's see what comes out in Court when Andrew Lovett stands trial. Let's wait and see if any other charges are laid against anyone else. I am patient, and I trust Kim is too.

The truth will eventually emerge from the shadows, whatever it is.

Zorro said...

brenda are you another St Kilda dog that thinks they can bully their way out of trouble.

The way St Kilda is handling this there will be hundreds of us soon determined to expose these assholes

what then how many can you sue?

St Kilda have chosen this path of confrontation and now they can deal with the repercussions

CKA said...

icoach, no one asked me for money. No one asked my details. I have never spoken to Kim. Period. I do not understand how you came up with that assumption? I sent an email to the address on her tweeter account and no reply was returned. That's it.

As far as I am concerned the poor girl has gone through enough.

CKA said...

I think Brenda was just pointing out the obvious. However why is it OK to call Kim all of these names?

brenda said...

I dont condone all the names called to kim.

but being called a liar ( when it has been proven you have lied) or being called a slut when you have admitted to being promiscuos and sleeping with a number of guys before your 17th birthday is a far cry from calling an innocent man a rapist.

and im not talking about any of those 3 zoro just mentioned. and even with those 3. it would be nice to see the final outcome of the court case prior to labelling someone something so bad.

blackmask said...

" I want you to be able to move into a successful life where you can leave the St Kilda Schoolgirl tag behind"

Interesting comment when the only reason anyone really knows, or in most cases cares, who she is is because of that tag. She's become a "symbol" of a fight against establishment, or misogyny, or the AFL, or women's rights, or whatever this "fight" is all about.

Her "supporters" have meant that when she's no longer in that fight, when she is just Kim Duthie, 17 year old Uni student or whatever, when she's not the St Kilda Schoolgirl, she's going to lose a big part of the identity she's had thrust upon her.

The "best" scenario of this would be what? Public apology from the AFL & St Kilda, Gilbert sacked, massive payout to KD, would be there be anything else to define a win? Everyone will pat themselves on the back, thatta girl, you showed them...then what? All the hurt and pain will still be there, but who is Kim Duthie if she's not the "St Kilda Schoolgirl"? :(

The Birdwatcher said...

Brenda, wherever you are tonite, can you check how many sluts are there? They will be the ones who had slept with more than one guy (or girl) (thats a number of guys/girls) before their 17th birthday.

Anna said...

Kim,
Just one more question...You mention in this blog that you were sexually assaulted. You have stated in the past the you had consensual sex with 2 St. Kilda footballers. Was this sexual assault involving St. Kilda footballers or a footballer from another club?

CKA said...

No I think being called a slut is just as unacceptable as being called a rapist. Neither comment is OK to be levelled at the footballer/s nor at Kim.

Why is everyone looking at Kim's actions and ignoring what others did?

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brenda said...

CKA, we will have to agree to disagree. and im not actually calling kim a slut eiether. I have called her a trainwreck before though

being a slut is not illegal, being a rapist is. Accusing someone of having low morals, whilst not nice is in now way as damaging as calling someone a rapist.

and thats all ill say on it.

and no im not a st kilda player or fan or st kilda anything.

Im a Swannies supporter all the way

CKA said...

Well being called a slut is offensive to women esp when your not. Being called a rapist is offensive to a man, esp when he is not. Get it.

What do you call a man (any man) who sleeps with a teenager then?

brenda said...

CKA, i would call that man a bloody idiot

but the footyplayer being called a rapist has not slept with kim and has not been proven to have slept with any teenager.

CKA said...

Brenda(I am not directing this at you just answering a question), it seems OK to label Kim all sorts of names and making all sorts of wild statements about her character, but when someone else is called a name, the definition book comes out.

Who gives ANYONE the right to label a 17 year old girl?

brenda said...

and i should add he has not been accused or questioned about being a rapist and there are no police investigations relating to rape active on this player.

so calling him a rapist is libel and appaling. not just for the man but for his family

iCoach 2.0 said...

CKA - for your information, the male version of "slut" is NOT a rapist, as you seem to think. And as Brenda pointed out to you, the footyplayer being called a rapist by you has NOT slept with Kim and has not slept with any teenager as far as we know. Do you know otherwise?

Torkona said...

never take an authority as the truth, take the truth as the authority. hope it all works out.

-tork
http://torkona.blogspot.com

CKA said...

Brenda I agree. I don't think ANYONE should be called any sorts of names.

It seems to me though when it comes to Kim, name calling is OK. I find this unacceptable.

CKA said...

BTW Brenda I am not having a dig at you with the post above.

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SystemRat said...

Hey iCoach 2.0 if your right and Kim never meet the players and none of them know her where did she get all the gay porn photos of the players from or is it all Photoshop ?? Seems to me at the very least she has had access to one of their PC's or a laptops and most lightly been shown them in the first place to be aware of their existence in the first place. Showing school girls gay photos seems a bit odd in the context of respect and responsibility etc etc Re the pregnancy claim that should be fairly easy to check.

iCoach 2.0 said...

@SAystemRat - you are absolutely right. The pregnancy claim would be easy to check. But why isn't anyone asking Kim why she won't co-operate and be examined or questioned? All this can be sorted out very quickly and see who's lying - but that obviously isn't what Kim wants. She wants her 10 minutes of fame (and up to $80,000 a day if we are to beleive reports) to stretch out as long as possible.

blackmask said...

@iCoach

I'll take this one....

"When you made the request for all your followers to send you $80 to your fathers account, how many followers did actually send the money? How much did you make? Is that how you could afford the 5 star hotel? "

I can't answer your questions specifically, but I can assure you that she didn't take money from everyone who offered...and not only offered the $80 she asked for help with....but she didn't take more when it was offered either.

So, you'll be apologising now I assume iCoach? At least on that false accusation about her integrity?

iCoach 2.0 said...

@SystemRat - How did kim get the photos?

I don't know - you'd have to ask her. The club said they were stolen. Kim said she took them herself in a hotel room in Melbourne. Her version has already been proven as a lie. So I guess we go with the other explanation - that they were stolen. That would certainly explain why the club isn't commenting - presuming it is under a police investigation.

iCoach 2.0 said...

@Blackmask - where was the false accusation? I simply asked the question of how many of her 100,000 followers gave her the $80 she asked for? I was being conservative in that if ONLY one in every one hundred people donated, she'd be scoring $80,000 into her fathers account. ANd that's another point, why put it into her fathers account? Didn't she have a cry about her father not talking to her? Her "story" has so many holes I can't believe how many of you teenagers are being sucking into it. No wonder you get ripped off with scams so often.

CKA said...

icoach you obviously can't read...where have I called anyone a rapist? I would never lower my standards to name calling. Just because you see fit to call a child a slut shows your character,not mine.

BTW I don't follow AFL and don't even know most of the players. My concern has always been about how this 17 year old is being treated publicly.

CKA said...

"I can't believe how many of you teenagers are being sucking into it. No wonder you get ripped off with scams so often." icoach

Well said. I agree. Alot of TEENAGERS get tricked into things.

iCoach 2.0 said...

CKA said...

"icoach you obviously can't read"

Yet you are complaining about people calling other people names. Pot Kettle Black perhaps?

blackmask said...

@iCoach

I'll type slowly so hopefully you can keep up.

Firstly, I'm not a teenager. But thank you, it's always lovely when a gentleman such as yourself thinks a woman is younger than she is.

Secondly, what scam do you think she was running? As I said, she didn't, that's how us grown ups shorten DID NOT, take money from everyone who offered. If she was running a scam to make money, she really sucked at the taking the money part of it.

CKA said...

blackmask I was prepared to offer more than $80 I assure you.

And she didn't even ask how much or anything. I sent an email and din't get a response. Your right, if it was a scam she would have taken it.

icoach, I was trying to get you to read my prior posts as you made an allegation that was not true.

iCoach 2.0 said...

@Blackmask - let's stick to the facts and not fiction. You say it wasn't a scam, but she CLAIMED to only want the $80 for that nights accomodation. But if we are to beleive the reports, she got almost $80,000 in donations to her fathers account (something that has yet to be explained) and then spent the next night on the town in limos and in 5 star hotels. Yet you say it isn't a scam. How gullible are you?

iCoach 2.0 said...

CKA - if the reports are true that she got over $80K to her fathers bank account in just one night, can you see why she would start to get worried and turn your offer down. Plus, she clearly stated that night that she was turning her phone and fathers email off that night and would not respond. Yet you take that as some sort of "proof" that her scam was legit. How gullible are you teenagers?

CKA said...

What reports? Can U provide a link?

The Colonel said...

iCoach 2.0 can't provide a link because iCoach 2.0 is the source of the report LOL

blackmask said...

@iCoach

And what reports would they be? You know the voices in your head or your own posts don't count as authoritative sources?

I was the same as CKA, I sent an email, would have had no problem more than $80, basically whatever she needed, no response. If it was scam she'd have taken it.

She went to Fed Sq, watched fireworks, and caught a taxi to a cheap hotel.

You might not like or agree with what she's done. You might not think she's believable. But you are making shit up about her integrity that simply isn't true.

blackmask said...

iCoach

"How gullible are you teenagers?"

I typed slowly and everything...I'm not a teenager.

Have you considered reading what people say, you know, in the spirit of communication? Or is it easier just to make their posts up the same as your "facts"

Frank said...

iCoach said: "May I ask you, how do you know that she was coached through the police interview? Who told you this? Hinch? Kim?
No one else would have told you this because it didn't happen."

If you are not connected with the AFL, how do you know this?

frog ponds rock... said...

Kim, the people that I know that are on your side are good people to have in your corner :) and remember what Veronica and I said about
Astro-turfing? That is happening here in the comments again. Dont engage with the iCoaches, Braids and others as they are paid to derail the conversation. Stay strong sweetie.

CKA said...

Ah what I could say by using "if the reports are true" line.......

Braid said...

@frogpond

Am I being paid? By whom? How do you know? You've got receipts?

Idiot.

iCoach 2.0 said...

@Frank, Really? You think that the ONLY people in the know are "connected to the AFL"? Do you have ANY idea how many others were there? Lawyers, police, cleaners, technicians, civilian employees, media, and yes, AFL people. What's your point? You seem to have it in for the AFL because some teenage slut says they fucked her and got her pregnant - yet she refuses to provide any proof other then her words - which have to date been all false. Why are you so adament to believe this lying bitch?

The Colonel said...

@iCoach 2.0 I think a more salient question is why are you so hostile?

Frank said...

iCoach I'm assuming that no sworn officer or solicitor would be so dumb as to use such language on a public website about a case in progress. I also doubt that the media, public and cleaners were privy to the interviews. That doesn't leave many options.

But perhaps you weren't there and are making it up.

iCoach 2.0 said...

Thanks Frank. You're absolutely right. Of course the media, public, cleaners were not privy to the interviews. And so would the AFL not be privy to the interview. You'll no doubt now quote Hinch's claim that Kim made 20 phone calls to the AFL boss during her interview. ANd we find ourselves back in the same situation - where Kim claims one thing, but nobody - NOBODY (other than Hinch) claims elsewise.

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sarah said...

@iCoach -- You know Kim, don't you? (Or knew her.) And she knocked you back.

That's why your posts are so filled with bitterness and hate: it's because she slept with someone ELSE, and not you.

For you, this whole thing is not about some random "teenage sl_t" (your words, not mine), it's personal.

Why else would someone follow this girl online and then spew forth such venom? If she's such a **** and so beneath you, why even bother wasting your time here? Gotta be personal...

Frank said...

So you in fact don't know whether or not she was coached by the AFl, you're guessing on no evidence. Kim at least was there.

I don't necessarily believe everything she says (although I do think that the general thrust of her story rings true) but you either have a big personal stake in this or you are just ranting hysterically because of your own personal problems. I can't decide which it is.

Either way it isn't pretty. If you have anything to contribute other than abuse, you need to say it in a way which doesn't make you appear rabidly prejudiced. HTH

CKA said...

"but you either have a big personal stake in this or you are just ranting hysterically because of your own personal problems. I can't decide which it is" Frank.

Hmm my view too.

MumOf4 said...

@SystemRat "Re the pregnancy claim that should be fairly easy to check."

Sure would be easy to prove and and she wouldn't even need to be subjected to a physical examination – she'd have a birth certificate given the baby was born at 21 weeks (as Kim said on 6PR, but going back 21 weeks she wasn't pregnant in May when she was first in the spotlight). dot.dot.dot.

Sadly, given all the other lies Kim has told – giving many radio interviews, going into details about being there and taking the photo herself, you can't blame the general public being somewhat dubious of there ever being a pregnancy as she has 'claimed'.

MumOf4 said...

Some people are wondering why the AFL and St Kilda are remaining silent - I would have thought it would be pretty obvious.

The longer they keep quiet, the more brazen Kim becomes with her posts and allegations.

"It is not necessary for the person to be identified by name. It is sufficient if the plaintiff can show that a reasonable person reading the words could understand them as referring to the plaintiff."
http://www.lawhandbook.org.au/handbook/ch24s02s02.php

CKA said...

Mum of 4. Firstly I know three teens who kept their pregnancy from the family up to the 7 month mark. Not hard to hide either.

"The longer they keep quiet, the more brazen Kim becomes with her posts and allegations"

I agree. But her posts aren't brazen. They are charmingly naive and real. It's watching a young girl grown up.

In fact as much as there are people who don't want to believe Kim, there are many who do. And when people start posting on here and calling her names, it makes her detractors seem like irrational zealots. Also many parents of teens are telling me that her behaviour is quite normal and fits in with what they see their kids do.

It's not good for either side. Best it is sorted out quickly.

The Birdwatcher said...

Re today's blog.... nothing brazen here... your response please AFL? 5 meetings? or 20 as the CEO said on 3AW?

SystemRat said...

A hypothetic. What would St Kilda and the AFL do if what Kim was saying was 100% true and correct ?

Perhaps one of these alternatives.

A. Acknowledge the problem and deal with it in a companionate manor and discipline the players involved.

or

B. Hire a team of PR and legal people to minimise the damage and focus on discrediting and intimidating the girl while remaining silent.

There are still a lot of unanswered questions re this and I hope the real truth will be known.

The Birdwatcher said...

@SystemRat - further, if Kim was lying about "everything", why no specific denials on so many issues? People suggesting the pregnancy was faked.... Anyone point me to a specific denial of this by a player, club official, league spokesperson or journo who has actually interviewed Kim in person?

Frank said...

"I agree. But her posts aren't brazen. They are charmingly naive and real. It's watching a young girl grown up." CKA

Agree. And judging by her recent posts I suspect she has some good and informed people helping her now. Sincere congratulations to them. I really, really hope that no-one is looking to further their PR or journalism career by exploiting her - but that doesn't seem to be the case so far.

Anna said...

@CKA
I find it frightening that many parents are telling you that this kind of behaviour is normal. In my experience, the 16 year olds I know are starting VCE, and making decisions regarding future career paths.
Sadly for Kim, she has no awareness of the implications long term of all of this ie Anyone in the future..potential employer, potential partner, kids just need to Google her name and there it all is.
While people around her who are cheering her on now will have LONG moved on, she will stuck with this horrible reputation.
Sad stuff

The Birdwatcher said...

Anna, I for one will be sticking around. Long after the careers of certain players and the life of current club administrations. I think Kim may be more aware of the implications of all this on her. I doubt the mollycoddled players have any idea how they are now regarded when they step away from the playing field. Many new reputations have been earned.

Anna said...

@Birdwatcher
I agree...Reputations on both sides have been damaged. I just hope for Kim's sake that this fight is worth it, and I wonder whether she has the foresight to make that judgement (or if any 17 year old does)

MumOf4 said...

@The Birdwatcher
"People suggesting the pregnancy was faked.... Anyone point me to a specific denial of this by a player, club official, league spokesperson or journo who has actually interviewed Kim in person? "

How can they deny it if they don't have access to her medical records - like ultrasounds?

She has said on the radio the date when she was no longer pregnant, has also said she was 21 weeks.

*if* that was the case, count back 21 weeks.

Check out the newspaper articles from back in May when she claimed she was pregnant - she couldn't have been then.

Also, with the other court case - it's alleged she had sex a number of times during a certain period - just before and just after she gave birth.
Having had 4 kids myself - I am highly suspicious about her being able to have sex not long after she lost her child. For starters, there is the postpartum bleeding, plus bruising and possible stitches.

The Birdwatcher said...

Thanks, but still the players named have not denied the claims. Specific denials, not generalities please. Let's hear someone say there was no miscarriage or no stillbirth, that's if those involved are so certain there is no truth here.

CKA said...

I have had many miscarriages and a stillbirth(I too have many children) and I had sex just after them. Someone so young can get confused about dates and the like. I did with my first pregnancy and I was much older.

If I conceived now I would still muck it all up.lol

CKA said...

I had a D&C after my last miscarriage and my bleeding stopped within 4 days.

CKA said...

@anna. Your kidding me right? I have a large group of friends and family and I can assure you the biggest problem alot of them face is that kids are not listening to them. Yes they are at school, yes they are thinking about their future etc. But they are also partying and one of my friends who is connect to the entertainment area sees these nice 'kids' doing drugs and drinking etc. It's common.

I do agree with you about the long term implications for Kim but what about the others involved? What about there part? How will History judge the AFL and those involved? No one here is cheering her on...they are supporting a young girl who has been called al;l sorts of names and has a long battle on her hands.

I just hope it is all sorted out because reputations on both ends will be tarnished.

Anna said...

@CKA
Of course kids are drinking etc...Hell, so did I. Your post made it sound like all 16 year olds are chasing footballers,indulging in group sex and posting naked images online...I think Kim is pushing some boundaries that the average teen isn't, that's all!

MumOf4 said...

Sorry to hear about your losses CKA.

I was only on the ball with dates with my first - didn't take as much notice with the others. ;)

Having been around people in real life who have faked pregnancies and losses - because they thought they could prevent a relationship breakup, and having witnessed family members go through miscarriages and another the loss of a newborn, and another many years of unsuccessful IVF, it does upset me that someone could be so flippant with creating such a story.

These other cases were obviously fictional fantasies (which was agreed upon by other people )due to the dates being way out, and by the way these people didn't make changes to their lifestyle that they had done for their other pregnancies (mainly drinking and smoking and being careful with not eating the dangerous food in the first trimester).
If they had been accurate with their dates, and behaved the same as their other pregnancies, then there wouldn't even have been questioning of the pregnancy being a fake.

The worst part was, one of these unhinged people had turned to someone for support - this someone had many years of trying to conceive and had a few losses and it really hurt them to have someone close by make up a false pregnancy and miscarriage just for the attention because her marriage had just fallen apart.

Oh, and these people were never exposed for their lies. Sure, there was a lot of talk behind their backs about it, but it was obvious they were going through a hard time and confronting them wouldn't have achieved anything.

If they had then publicly used it to gain attention and make themselves out as a 'victim', then it would definitely have all come out, not by me of course.

@The Birdwatcher, I wonder if the so called father has tried to contact Births Deaths and Marriages for proof? Any baby born after 20 weeks has to be registered and issued a birth certificate, even if sadly stillborn.

As I have said in reply to another blog post - if this is just another of Kim's stories, then her future children will definitely find out - via their birth certificates. (ie siblings are listed - no sibling, then no child existed) There is no wiping Kim's details off the net - these future children WILL come across all these details about their mum and WILL be looking at their mum and wondering why she would make these things up.
I just hope Kim has actually sat down and given thought to all the long term consequences of all her claims.

The Birdwatcher said...

In other forums I have seen where Kim has given details of the stillborn child. Details are out there. With respect for your thoughts and views, I merely say again, IF it is all lies and fantasy as many people are claiming, why has no player named in any media or web forum categorically denied Kim's claims? I see only denials about certain images. I continue to wait and see.

Frank said...

I don't actually care whether or not Kim was pregnant. That she felt the need to say so is an indication of the distress she was in. The broad outline of her situation is agreed on, I think, and arguing that the AFL players behaved reasonably or have reasonable attitudes to women is simply not possible.

The Birdwatcher said...

Agreed

CKA said...

Mum of 4. I understand where your coming from. I have seen this 'victim' game play too with many. But I rarely see it in young people. I usually see young kids being brave and acting unpredicably. Acting without thinking. Kim is behaving as I would expect a young girl to behave.

I just think she needs support not to be called all sorts of names.

CKA said...

anna your'd be surprised what kids get up to now a days. Each geneartion pushes another boundary it would seem to me.

My actions as a teen look harmless now.lol

Ah as for naked pictures, if you see some of the photos some teens are posting on FB(of themselves)it will shock you.

parent said...

@MumOf4

"@The Birdwatcher, I wonder if the so called father has tried to contact Births Deaths and Marriages for proof? Any baby born after 20 weeks has to be registered and issued a birth certificate, even if sadly stillborn."

But the father doesn't have to be named on the birth certificate.

Why would a bloke who didn't want to acknowledge his paternity apply for the birth certificate if he claimed that the woman wasn't pregnant to begin with?

Moreover, applying for a birth certificate requires proof of identity documents etc about the same level as applying for a police check, which someone in the public eye would presumably be even more reluctant to do than the average person. http://online.justice.vic.gov.au/CA2574F700805DE7/page/About+us-Proof+of+identity?OpenDocument&1=70-About+us~&2=05-Proof+of+identity~&3=~

David said...

iCoach is obviously delusional from his ongoing fantasy of Nicks shaved scrotum slapping against his chin. Thus preventing rational thought.

To call a child (yes a child) vilifying names to make your self feel a big man (competing with DelS I guess) is disgraceful and only serves to magnify your perceived or actual inadequacies.

It is unlikely that this will ever make court as I doubt even SKFC would be dumb enough to have players they won't let be questioned at a press conference be questioned in court under oath.

parrots1 said...

@icoach
"You are a fucking proven liar, and you can't be trusted. If you actually do have a legitimate complaint, you won't get a hearing because you have done your dash. Remember the story about the boy who cried wolf? That story is about you, you silly slut. "

My god!! what spawned this revolting being? You obviously have some personal connection to Kim...your behaviour is way over the top. What a vile individual you are.

parent said...

If we are to try to understand Kim's failures, we should also try to understand iCoach.

He deserves vastly more understanding than Kim, for he has failed miserably in every respect that qualifies a person as good and decent and worthwhile.

Whether anyone can begin to understand iCoach's irrational, irrelevant, illogical, ignorant, intolerant, vituperative, mysogynistic, belligerent, hate-filled, and pathetically immature rants is a different question.

But we should try to understand iCoach. So that we can identify his DNA and exclude it from the gene pool in future.

parent said...

I would appreciate it if Kim deleted all my comments in all her blogs, as she has done selectively with those which apparently are contrary to whatever agenda she is pursuing beyond the obvious.

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adam said...

@iCoach2.0 and @Kim.
I'm sorry I have to agree with iCoach 2.0. I have been reading your blogs for the last few times you posted now, and you are nothing more than a lonely 17 year old seeking attention.
You know what you may have been done wrong by the AFL. They are a big corporation and it would be easy for them to forget about the little person, but if you really, and I am REALLY hard done by, like sexully assaulted or mistreated or further than thr two you would have gone to the police. Instead you posted photos that you illegally obtained on facebook, now you look like the criminal and this is why the nation is against you.
The drinking a bottle of vodka ? I mean your under age! your already still breaking the law! Tweeting things about your on a roof top and your head says jump. I've even given you a chance Kim, I have your mobile number (like most of the nation) and I was willing to call you and just "I want to believe you and just talk about this and hear your side without the media touching it, just a little so I know I can be on your side." The reaction I got was a little brat kid who just said "Oh my god f*** off you weirdo, leave me alone." and laughed with her freinds in the background. So far the story I know of you is that you were with some footy players you had some photos and you posted them on facebook....nothing tells me that your a victim here. The AFL and st kilda is a big corporation, they have a department dedicated to making them look like the victim in these incidents!!
You want the nation on your side ? Well have some grace a little bit of finesse about what your doing, attack with the law on your side!!! and STOP BEING A LITTLE BRAT ON A TANTRUM IN ISLE 7! Stop blogs revealing your trump cards against the AFL! Hit them using the law!! Because I want to root for the little man!

Sincerly

Adam

jenny said...

Kim, you have huge support out there. Stay strong and stay focussed on the main event....bringing St Kilda and the AFL to justice. You have created a new storm with the realisation that Memorandums of Understanding between the AFL and Vic Police are part of our unjust justice system.There are a lot of women who would like nothing more than seeing these "stars" finally face their day in court.

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Rose Perignon said...

Gee, all these bullies trying to keep you quiet!

"Be a good little girl and go away quietly"

Initially I thought some of these people had mental health issues but its more likely they are stooges with an agenda. Keep listening to good people like 'Jenny' above. Stay strong and bold- its the defiant voice that makes a difference.

CKA said...

@adam considering all the abuse she gets I guess everytime she picks up the phone she expects something nasty. So it's a reaction perhaps by default.

I agree with your part about using the law. I also agree that the less said the better.

iCoach 2.0 said...

CKA - she's already gone to the law, and she got nowhere because everything she told them were lies. So she tried the blackmail angle instead. And that didn't get her anywhere either. So she tried the "i'm gunna jump and kill myself unless you all send me $80 to my fathers bank account" trick. And if the reports are true, she made almost $80,000 from that scam. So I don't think she's going to stop anytime soon.

The Birdwatcher said...

iCoach - you keep repeating the $80,000 claim... that is all in your head. You repeatedly say everything she says are lies. You never have any answers to the specific concerns being raised here. These issues of process need to be explained. I know the supportive posters here are not teenagers, and certainly not naive.

Let's see some specifics being addressed.... how about the actual content of the blog we are all commenting on?

Anna said...

I'm just very confused...Kim, you state for the first time in this blog that there was a sexual assault at some point during the year with a footballer. This is a very serious accusation, and if true, then why on earth would you not make THIS the primary reason for your seeking revenge??? Trying to understand, but I just don't get it

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The Birdwatcher said...

Anna, being ditched by your child's father seems to be motivation enough to keep the Family Court a very busy place, not to mention other acts of revenge on ex-es. Never had a friend being vindictive regarding an ex? Everyone seems to demand a higher standard of Kim? I don't get that at all.

It is my understanding the alleged sexual assault is being investigated. Making the report to police is what we expect of any other victim who happens to be anyone other than Kim?

What society are you all living in?

The Birdwatcher said...

iCoach - using your sophisticated skills, please direct me to somewhere I can read a "report" of Kim raising $80,000 - apart from your comments. If you can't I just have to assume it is in fact something you made up, and keep repeating in an effort to confuse what the issues actually are.

iCoach 2.0 said...

@Birdwatcher - WHat sexual assault? What child? What's this about being ditched by the father etc? These are all STORIES by Kim that have been denied completely by every other party allegedly involved. Why are you being sucked in? Every single thing she has said so far has been disproved. She's just an attention seeking illiterate immature teenager. Why is someone like you so gullible?

Anna said...

@Birdwatcher
I would absolutely expect someone making accusations of sexual assault to go straight to the police. That is clearly the most appropriate place to go.
Oh, by the way, no...I don't have ANY friends who would act in such a "vindictive" way to an ex!

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The Birdwatcher said...

iCoach - these things have not been disproved, as you say. Still hoping you will provide a "report" of the $80,000. And while you are at it, and because I am obviously very stupid, point me to an independent place I can read where all of these things (as you say) have been disproved. You have obviously seen the proof, let us lesser beings in on it.

Zorro said...

icoach that scenario is pure fantasy and you know it you have no proof all it relies on is your fanciful statistical calculations.

The truth is the AFL and Police are conspiring against woman to minimize charges against footballers.

Milne was a perfect example, the investigating police officer makes the claim himself that he was pressured by police not to investigate a rape charge.

Then we have Kim who was alleged the subject of sexual assault herself by the police . The AFL have had formal secret agreements put in place with senior police to treat footballers different to the rest of public. By default these agreements were anti woman and slanted the playing field against the victims of crime in favor of the perpetrators.

In Australia's history when has this happened before? When has a private organisation been allowed preferred status in order they may protect the perpetrators of crime?

What are the details of these agreements? How many victims are involved and how many investigations have occurred under it umbrella? Which senior police officers were involved and what was their relationship with the AFL? What investigation has taken place.

Kim's situation has uncovered a serious conspiracy to pervert the course of justice by police and the AFL. The situation deserves a Royal Commission or at the very least a judicial inquiry.

The outrageous intervention in the justice system by the AFL and particularly St Kilda needs to be completely investigated.

People like icouch are trying to divert the serious extent and nature of the situation.

iCoach 2.0 said...

@Zorro - what conspiracy between the police and AFL are you talking about? Any evidence of that other than what Kim and Hinch have said? You say that AFL players are treated differently from the rest of the public. Any examples or evidence of this, or is it again just what you heard from Kim or Hinch?

The Birdwatcher said...

iCoach - so you content that there are no police investigations and never have been? I have only heard St Nick deny he met Kim, not the other players involved. I have seen photos (taken and owned by people with no involvement in this) of the named players, Kim, and other people is social situations interacting in friendly ways.

She made a tweet regarding suicide, and addressed it in a blog. Her family (mother I believe) confirmed to at least one journo that Kim had been asked to leave home at this time. Why would the AFL meet with someone 5 times (and if the CEO got it right), and contacted perhaps up to 20 times if it is all lies?

You know, I assume, that as legal issues are at stake, I cannot be as blunt in stating what is out there in the public domain, as I have not hidden my identity in any forums. You however spout general mis-information, and hide your identity. Are you asserting that the 3 players named in various outlets (not appearing in the published pics) have never met Kim? Have those 3 players said that publicly?

iCoach 2.0 said...

@Birdwatch. YOu ask what has been disproved? Let's start with the photos that she said SHE took in a hotel in Melbourne. It has been proved that no only didn't she take the photos at all, but they weren't even taken from any hotel in this country. How's that for a start?
Then there's the pregnancy. Why does she refuse to be examined? These are things that can be easily proved or disproved.

The Birdwatcher said...

iCoach - zorro is referring to a discredited Memorandum of Understanding between the AFL and Victoria Police. Front page of the papers at the time. Even was on the tele. Perhaps you missed it? And that the Milne investigation is under a cloud and may be investigated by the OPI (these things usually happen out of the public glare).

The MoU gave AFL players access to police intelligence and liaison processes that ordinary people don't get. A St. Kilda manager on the phone to someone being interviewed by police, investigating complaints against your players, while the interview is being conducted?

Answers, not spin.

The Birdwatcher said...

ICoach - one photo was taken in Miami. How Kim got the others is a matter of dispute. That's what the mediation is about. I can concede on one photo. Happy to hear your reply to all of the other issues.

How the photos got to Kim is by no means clear. I bet St. Kilda never allow it to come out if the mediation reaches a settlement. Remember they took the legal action, not Kim.

Zorro said...

Icoach you need to do more reading

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/08/10/2979208.htm

Clearly exists an inappropriate relationship between the police and the AFL to protect the perpetrators of crime.

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AFL 'deputy sheriff' in police deal
Steve Lillebuen
October 12, 2010
AAP

The AFL's secret police deal on league identities made the sporting body a criminal investigator and urged police to stay quiet about it.

The uncensored contract, obtained by AAP on Tuesday, states that Victoria Police could not comment on its own investigations into any AFL player, coach, board member or even staff without consulting the league.

The football body was also given permission to "investigate matters of illegal betting" and other serious crimes from drug trafficking and domestic violence to sexual assaults.

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The police-AFL "relationship" was struck so both could investigate "any criminal activity that would be prejudicial to the interests of the AFL", the contract says.

Once the league had obtained enough evidence through its internal criminal investigations, it was obliged to hand over its files to police.

Likewise, officers under the deal were required to co-operate "by providing to the AFL information that may be relevant to any possible criminal offences".

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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/st-kilda-players-in-shock-sex-cover-up-claim/story-e6frf7jo-1225882432318

THE mother of the woman who claimed to have been raped by St Kilda players Leigh Montagna and Stephen Milne has broken the family's silence.

Speaking to Channel 9 earlier tonight she said the family was hopeful yesterday’s allegations that members of Victoria police had been threatened and intimidated while conducting a case against the players, ultimately leading to its collapse in 2004, would see the case re-opened.

“We were bitterly disappointed with the result six years ago, but we had finally managed to get our lives back together,” the mother said.

She credited former Brighton Senior-Detective Scott Gladman with a brave effort to uphold the law.

“Detective Gladman’s bravery and honesty may bring about an end to it once and for all,” she said.

“He’s always shown integrity over the matter.”

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There has clearly been an attempt by the police and the AFL to minimizes charges against footballer who have assaulted Victorian woman.

With 14 charges pending in February the implication is this conspiracy has extended to Kim and is most likely still in place.

A separate judicial inquiry needs to take place to fully investigate the extent of htese attempts to pervert the course of justice and to assess whether charges should be made against persons in both the ALF and the police.

iCoach 2.0 said...

@Birdwatcher - you complain that I am hiding behind my cloak of anonyminity - yet you have now removed your own profile. Hypocrisy much?

The Birdwatcher said...

Zorro, thanks, i wanted to have breakfast before looking for the reports :)

The Birdwatcher said...

I have not removed my profile. My name is attached to my twitter. Several people spouting hateful bile have worked out where I am. No hiding here pal. Care to reveal yourself?

Oh, thanks to those sending nice emails too .

iCoach 2.0 said...

Birdwatcher - can I answer this bit of your post. You said "The MoU gave AFL players access to police intelligence and liaison processes that ordinary people don't get. A St. Kilda manager on the phone to someone being interviewed by police, investigating complaints against your players, while the interview is being conducted?"

Firstly, the MoU is simply something that ANY person can get via FOI. The only difference is that the clubs don't have to individually apply for every single bit of info on their players. Instead, the MoU means that police automatically provide the clubs with the information. That's no different to you and me accessing information about ourselves. If anything, you should be applauding the AFL for not allowing anything to be covered up by individual players.

As to your comment about the AFL being on the phone to Kim while being interviewed - who told you this? Kim or Hinch?

Blackmask said...

@Adam

Kim is being very open about things so you'd have already known much of her side. Is it really surprising then that when a 17 year old gets a call asking her to talk about some very personal information from a complete stranger she responded as you say she did?

@Anna

"I really think others are now pushing you into a direction that you didn't originally planned to go. I'd really hate for you to be swept up in something that you will regret in later life."

"While people around her who are cheering her on now will have LONG moved on, she will stuck with this horrible reputation.
Sad stuff"

Agreed. The only definite outcome I see from this is Kim being very lonely. :(

The Birdwatcher said...

LOl Read the AAP report regarding the operation of the MoU. I wasn't talking about being allowed to read the thing.

You state Mr Hutchison was not on the phone as stated by Kim (she was actually there).

When you understand how the MoU operated, and allowed this sorry mess to develop, and when you are prepared to share you name, and give details about your ridiculous $80,000 claim, drop me an email.

We are dominating a discussion that in my view is being directed away from the treatment of a (then) 16yo girl. I have no interest in being the issue.

If you send me the email, I reserve the right to publish it, and you email address, in other forums.

Grant Carroll - not very anonymous

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iCoach 2.0 said...

@birdwatcher - it's a bit hard for me to send you an email when you have just deleted your profile. I'm not a mind reader. How can I contact you?

The Birdwatcher said...

@Blackmask - I assume it was your tweet to me talking about the 'real" issues? Don't worry, I am well aware, and hope Kim can achieve something that gives her satisfaction, not making a whole lot of unaffected "others" feel good.

Thanks if it was you :)

The Birdwatcher said...

I didnt delete my profile but here - gippyguy@gmail.com

Don't bother if you do not include your name, as I do not entertain private discussions with people I cannot verify as being genuine.

iCoach 2.0 said...

@Birdwatcher - so the $80,000 she has already reportedly got isn't enough "satisfaction" for her? How much do you think she'll be "satisfied" with?

The Birdwatcher said...

hey ICoach - who has reported that apart from you? Fantasist.

My invitation stands. I have nothing new to add.

iCoach 2.0 said...

Birdwatcher - I've explained the $80K many times to you. Even Kim herself said that the $80K figure was 'way off the mark'. She suggested that my calculation that only 1 in every 100 followers gave to her appeal was 'an underestimate' - so I will take it from that comment that she received a hell of a lot more. Which would certainly explain why she is trying to stretch out her 10 minutes of fame.

kitkat2507 said...

What vile disgusting people some of you are,absolutely disgusting vermin. Filthy mouthe and desperate bogans.

Go hard Kim, there are plenty of ppl out here who are sick of the all footy clubs cover ups and treatment of women.

You're a fighter and like Lara Bingle, forced to bear the brunt of pigs and animals such as icoach and others.

Just what do you coach icoach? AFL???
How much are they paying you to bother to come here with your venomous spray I wonder.

Blackmask said...

@Birdwatcher

I think I sent you a tweet about real consequences.

I don't actually care what the truth is or what the real issues are. Nor do I expect a 17 year old who has been through enough already to fight a crusade against the AFL on behalf of "all" women.

If all these women, and men, seriously want to make a difference then try the following:
- do not go to the games
- do not buy merchandise
- pull your kids out of local footy
- write a letter to the AFL telling them you've done these things
- write letters to major sponsors

Supporting with online comments a "fight" where the only consequence will fall on Kim and long after everyone's gone away just seems to lack any real commitment.

CKA said...

What concerns me is that this young girl is being called a liar yet certain posters on here have been clearly making up their own fantasies. One minute something is a fact...then an estimate. She asked for help and people helped her. I don't see anything wrong with that. Those who offered(I did but I didn't get a reply back) aren't running to the ACC.

All I see is a grown up picking on a young school girl. A young school girl.

MumOf4 said...

It is true - Kim's 'so called supporters' will be sick of this soon enough and will move on with their lives, privately, and Kim is left on her own.

As a mother, I keep wondering where her parents are in all this.

@zorro has given an example of another case, and the mum was supporting her daughter!! So where is Kim's mum? Why is she keeping quiet?

If Kim were my daughter, and the allegations were true, then I would be moving heaven and earth to get behind my daughter and support her, even if she had made some silly mistakes and was partly to blame.

Does anyone wonder why her parents are not supporting her? Will the truth be slowly uncovered here as well?

Tara said...

Why I fail to understand...is how her so-called many supporters can fail to see the discrepancies in her stories.

It is clear she sought out our the footballers attentions (I wasted my money on WHO and read that scree....she was happy to say she liked the attention and glam of it all)

She was dumped - and now she wishes to inflict as much misery on not only the individual...but those around him.
Petty and vindictive ...and given her lack of cred by all the lies she has told, I am certain that it was she who tried to extract $20k in blackmail to the Club - not the other way around.

Horrid nasty business.

I agree with parent too - like most who have little to stand on - she edits/deletes any comments that do not portray her in a good light.

Initially I was quite supportive of this young woman - but having seen what she is (not at all subtly mind you) trying to do to further her own limelight, I hold nothing but disgust and contempt for anything she has to say (none of which can be believed anyway)

If/when the Club sues her for theft/malicious intent and copywrite...it might finally sink in that what she is doing is lunacy and illegal.

Wonder if she will delete this...seeing I am not one of the small/fake crowd who keep urging her to make a bigger fool of herself than she already is. We'll see I guess....

The Birdwatcher said...

Blackmask, being aware of the power of money, I am trying to nut out a plan to target sponsors. Care to help? Same goes for anyone. I agree most people will move on to the next issue quickly, but i saw something similar occur within the same club to a 16 yo girl 10 years ago. My mind boggles at the thought of all the girls who have suffered similar indignities in much less public situations.

Regarding her parents..... imagine the pressure this is putting on the family unit!

Tara said...

@CKA

Don't be a fool- she plays the "young schoolgirl" card when it suits. A "young schoolgirl" would not be asking strangers to come at meet her at a bar in the middle of the day...or encouraging people to come and make a nuisance of themselves at a Training session.

Kim is the first person to say she is a "strong woman"...you cant be both- like most other things, she uses it when convenient.

Very sad.

iCoach 2.0 said...

Tara speaks a lot of sense. I can't beleive how gullible some of the teenagers on this blog are. And I suspect there are also a few adults who have wayward teenagers who are encouraging Kim to dig an even deeper hole for herself so that they feel not so bad about their own lack of parenting skills. I really feel that DoCS should monitor this site and remove ANY children from any parent who is supporting this Kim woman.

The Birdwatcher said...

OMG. Still waiting iCoach

Vilify and engage in character assassination rather than address the serious issues raised.

Obfuscation is a PR art form.

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The Birdwatcher said...

Sorry, but they haven't been proven anything. I am out of here til the next blog, and there is something new from Kim, or the players involved. Or the policeman that has been charged. Or the OPI regarding the Milne investigation.

Still waiting for your email, and your independent reports. I am just gonna go and do something on this nice Sunday, and hope your referral to DoCs doesn't result in a raid.

Fantasist.

iCoach 2.0 said...

@Birdwatcher - at least you are finally seeing the light - and are starting to see all the holes in Kim's "stories". That's a good idea to run away until ANY new evidence is offered by Kim other than 2 photos that she thinks somehow "proves" that she was raped, fell pregnant, had a mis-carriage etc etc etc. How ANYONE, teenager or not, can read all that into a stolen photo of a player holding his own dick is beyond me.

Zorro said...

Icoach is part of the St Kilda Astrotrufing operation. This is where the club tries to seize control of the PR direction by by swamping the comments page with vile disgusting repetitive commentary to sideline real commentary

Kim if your reading this do not hesitate is deleting all that icoach is written and anything from anyone else that is abusive. Keep commentary both supportive and non supportive that is respectful, rational and logical

The St Kilda PR team are working hard at diverting this into debate about your morality and character , in the process pushing aside the various issues with respect St Kilda management and players behavior.

Here is some commentary from PR professionals who clearly think you're being targeted by the St Kilda PR team

http://somedaywewillsleep.com/astroturfing-dickileaks-and-why-perception-is-the-key-to-good-pr/

The Birdwatcher said...

iCoach - I most certainly havent run away. I just don't think I can keep repeating the same things. Maybe you are an astroturfer? You don't have the stones to drop the cloak. I look forward to one day finding out your association to the PR movement.

Zorro.... appreciate your reasoned posts and the links. I am too lazy to keep them handy :)

iCoach 2.0 said...

@Zorro - yes it's all a big conspiracy to discredit this young girl. Grow up Zorro and stop being so gullible. Why would the AFL pay anyone to discredit her? She's doing a good enough job with all the lies she's told to date. THe players and the club have already said that they have NEVER even met the girl. That is the end of story - unless of course she can prove otherwise. Which she can't of course. WHy should the club comment further? She's made certain claims, they have responded, she continued, they got a court order to make her stop her lies, she refused, they initiated court proceedings. Again, end of story. The court will find her guilty, she'll spend time in jail (or commit suicide as she continually threatens) and nobody will care. End of story.

Frank said...

iCoach, how about just once you defend your rants.

"And if the reports are true, she made almost $80,000 from that scam"

WHAT reports? I don't care about your strange accountancy, I want to know about the reports. Where did you read or hear these reports?

Just answer this (preferably without abuse, if you can do that).

Frank said...

iCoach, where have the players said they never met her? I think it is agreed by all parties that they DID meet her. The legal question is whether it was as a direct result of the school footy clinic or not.

You don't go to jail over a civil suit.

WHY are you so full of hate about this? Are you personally involved? If you are personally involved it, why won't you say so? If you are not personally involved just what is your problem?

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