I trust that you had a very safe new years, and hope that there's not too many hangovers lingering...!
I spent my new years in Melbourne City, with my bestfriend.
We watched the fireworks at Federation Square, and caught a taxi back to our hotel at 12'30am and went to bed.
Strange? Unlike me? I hear most of you saying.
I figured I want to start this new year with a positive, no hangover, no "one night stand" regrets, no drugs, no clubbing. I feel content, and sit here eagerly writting this blog - Proud of myself.
I look forward to what 2011 will bring me, but I also worry.
I worry, for the fact that not only do I have to fight until I can no longer stand against St.Kilda, I also have to battle-on with 3 other court cases, all linked to St.Kilda somehow.
I need to be stronger this year, no more silly decisions, no more putting myself in bad situations.
I can't blame the AFL or St.Kilda for everything, of course it "Takes two to tango" as most of you say, and I'll be the first to admit that. And in saying that, I'd like to apologise to anyone who may have been hurt along the way.
I'm sure it's hard for most of you to imagine even an 8th of this situation, and it's honestly so hard to explain how one could feel. There's alot of emotions that are involved; regret, love, hope, pain, sadness.
But those are just emotions, and we can change those in a split-second if we really desire to change them, it's possible.
In a strange enough way, I would like to thank St.Kilda for making me grow up faster, giving me life experience; and mostly - opening my eyes to reality, of course... After I was treated with utter disrespect, but that's life, correct?
There's some things in life that we can never change, no amount of money or wishes in the world could turn back time, so we must look forward and learn from the challenges we've faced.
Leaving you with that,
I hope you all are seeing the truth uncovered slowly.. Derryn is doing a great job.
St.Kilda need to be answering these questions, and they also need to realise that I'm not just another girl that they can sweep under the carpet; I stand up for what I believe in. And as I mentioned previously, I will stand tall until the truth is known.
Won't be sitting down anytime soon,
Kim.
twitter.com/its_k_isabella
[Wishing you the best for 2011, hoping all your dreams come true. xx]
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All that info is readily available on the internet. You just need to do some actual research and making up your own mind, instead of repeating the spin that Hinch and others put on this issue.
How do you know that most people don't have sexual relations with their work mates? I reckon you'd find that more sexual liaisons happen amongst work colleagues. In any case, what difference does it make? Because she exposed the pics and video, you seem to think that makes her side of the story right.
@MumOf4 you will never be accused of being impartial.
You certainly have a morbid infactuation in discrediting a female teen.
Apart from zorro, you are the most prominant person on this blog, analogies, assertions, media references anything you can find to discredit a female teen.
I find it grotesque that a "motherof4" goes to such lengths on this particular topic.
Judge jury and executioner = mumof4
@ Zorro
Now you are clearly just making things up. But hey, why not?! It seems to be the theme of this whole event. What's that saying? 'Never let the truth get in the way of a good story' Certainly seems to fit here. Credibility = ZERO Zorro.
@MrsJ
I find it equally grotesque that you will defend someone just because of their age and gender, or the fact they aren't an AFL player. All Mum0f4 is doing is trying to show those are blinded by the lies Kim has told that things don't add up, and that holds more weight than a photo of a footy player with his penis in his hand.
@Braid..grotesque that i will defend someone because of there age? Im an adult so of course I will eb on the side of caution when it pertains to a teenager.
AFL? Im neither for or against.Im not a sports fan nor am I a hater of sports.
But if the worst you can do is accuse me of defending a teen, well I will take that as a compliment.
Unlike you Im not privy to all these "facts" All I see is media conjecture and peoples personal opinions. So I will wait for a court to decide what is fact and what is false.
But to rubbish a teenager before anything is actually proven is a personality fault.
So Mrs J, it's ok for an older teenager to post naked pictures on the WWW, of people who had NOTHING to do with having sex with her, but because they play for the same AFL team, they are guilty by association?
What exactly are you defending her for? For her constant and consistent lies? For her lack or ethics and morality? For her right to remain anonymous in all this?
For her attention seeking?
@zorro “you seem to have great access to the affidavit material how did you get hold of it? “
derrr @zorro are you really that slow?
ROFLMAO
http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/teen-stole-nude-afl-pictures-then-asked-for-20000-court-told-20101221-194hp.html
Can you not READ!!!
Or maybe the issue is that you do not know how to copy and paste links. ;)
#idiot
@Mrs J
“You certainly have a morbid infactuation in discrediting a female teen. “
Oh I think she's done a good job all by herself in this department, don't you?
I initially joined as I was concerned that Kim was too naïve to realise that whatever she put out on the WWW would pretty much remain there forever.
Now that I have listened to a few radio interviews and followed her twitter, I realise that it really was her wanting her 15 minutes of fame and fortune – nothing to do with her being a small voice for the other victims of these AFL players.
@MrsJ
I never once said that you should be privvy to the "facts" or that I am privvy to any "facts". I am saying that what Mumof4 is doing is posting why she thinks that Kim's stories don't add up. It's not her fault that more and more untruths can be uncovered every day. Perhaps if the darling young lady didn't start this web of deceit then she wouldn't be in a position where a mother of 4 needs to discredit her.
@mumof4 you have done an awful lot more than just follow twitter and listen to a few radio interviews, At least have the intestinal fortitude to be honest about that.
I do not condone anyones private photo's being made public, I do believe in leaving this up to the courts to address.
I do not like seeing any teen ridiculed or belittled in such a manner as what you are portraying her in. Its distasteful. And you call yourself a mother.
Once again I leave the facts up to a court.
Good on you, Mumof4, for teaching your own kids that people that speak a whole lot of shit and cause trouble for others, are bound to get found out eventually. The world actually needs more people like you, and not those who are willing to offer excuses every time someone stuffs up.
Perhaps if the world had more mothers like Mumof4 then maybe we would have fewer kids like Kim.
and that would certainly be a good thing
@Brenda really? you think its good to try teenagers on a public blog?
If your an adult? In all your years of wisdom this is what you have learnt? and condon? trial by public opinion! Nice
No wonder we have so many youth problems in Australia.
@Mrs J
Really? You think it's good for teenagers to sleep around and post naked photos of a variety of people for REVENGE? To lie about pregnancy and miscarriages for attention? These things are public opinion, they're FACTS. Kim is the youth problem in Australia. I know PLENTY of well adjusted kids her age, younger and older. She made this bed, let her lay in it.
@Maree Oh pardon me Im sorry, I see that you know for sure that
quote" To lie about pregnancy and miscarriages for attention? These things are public opinion, they're FACTS"
is fact..You must be Kim's doctor and have all the relevant documents..Because if you are making statements like that and its not fact ...thats very sad
@Mrs J - I think you'll find they're facts. You just need to wake up and smell the real world. This girl is trouble, and everything that is happening to her and said about her, is HER fault and no one elses. I once (maybe even more than once!) got dumped when I was a teenager. I listen to sappy songs and cried to my BFF's. i didn't set out about destroying their lives.
@Maree that is your opinion that they're facts, is it not? You have no concrete evidence either way. Unless you are her doctor.
Its very patronising of you, to suggest I wake up and smell the roses.
Being impartial is a lot wiser than claiming assumptions as facts.
@Mrs J - You're hardly being impartial. Naive - maybe? But impartial - no.
@Maree ..grasping at straws there - Im naive now.
Because I dont shout from my soap box declaring assumptions as facts ,I'm naive.
I see.
@Mrs J - You're defending the undefendable here I'm afraid. The girl's no good.
@Mrs J
really? you think its good to stroke and feed the ego of a desperate teenager who desperately needs psychiatric help, but is in stead of seeking to turn 15 minutes of fame into 30 minutes on a public blog?
Really? you think its ok for the youth/young ladies of this world to behave like this girl?
seriously if you do gooders (who usually dont even have kids) would stay the fuck out of peoples lives and allow parents to discipline our kids we wouldnt have the youth we have today.
@Brenda dont verbal me. How hypocritical of you...stay out of peoples lives? in other words if you dont agree with Brenda get of the blog.
Now your insinuating I dont have kids, Is there any level you wont go to, to assert that your position is the only correct one.
@Brenda an added note - what the hell has how you discipline your children got to do with anything?
Does Kims behaviour reflect your own kids behaviour? Does how other parents discipline there OWN children reflect on Kims behaviour good or bad? Or are slanderous comments about someone elses teen representative of how you expect your kids to behave?
@Mrs J
no telling you to stay out of ppls lives ( which i didnt actually do, i said do gooders should stay out of others lives so you are actually the one insinuating )was telling you not to tell others how to run theirs. i thought it was pretty obvious
@Mrs J.
no my comments quite clearly state if parents these days controlled there kids better. taught them life lessons such as im sure MOMOF4 does and we didnt have "kids rights groups" saying you shouldnt discipline kids you shouldnt smack them you shouldnt pull them iinto line.
there wouldnt be so many wayward assholes in the world today.
look at the crime rate these days and how all these parents who let there kids get away with anything they want end up with usless good for nothing wastes of space like kim dumbie.
god i would hate to see your kids. they are probably 5 and already doing drugs
@considering the post starts with @mrs J and included in the post is
"seriously if you do gooders (who usually dont even have kids) would stay the fuck out of peoples lives and allow parents to discipline our kids we wouldnt have the youth we have today"
Wow how dumb must I be to suddenly not realize you had suddenly decided to mid - post address other people. Without any indication
No psychic abilities here to work out what is going on in your head.
@Mrs J,
nope and no psychic abilities here to figure out there isnt much going on in your head at all.
@Brenda quote "no my comments quite clearly state if parents these days controlled there kids better. taught them life lessons such as im sure MOMOF4 does and we didnt have "kids rights groups" saying you shouldnt discipline kids you shouldnt smack them you shouldnt pull them iinto line."
your comments quiet clearly say that ? Roflmao are you on the same page.. can you direct me to where you quite clearly said that please?
Or did you just decide to quite clearly say it?
@Brenda quote "god i would hate to see your kids. they are probably 5 and already doing drugs"
Now you are attacking my kids in a derogative manner"?
What are you on?
@mrs J.
well my kid isnt even in double figures yet she has more brains and better morals than this Kim trainwreck.
Going off your responces i wouldnt say im being too biased in saying shes probably a step above your common sense level aswell.
Now, now, settle down people.
@Mrs J, the majority of the media and the AFL and St Kilda realise it's best not to feed Kim any more attention, as it's not in her best interest.
With the exception of one media person.
Whose latest blog also appeared on a certain radio station's website.
This same radio station has already claimed certain things about Kim.
"Shortly after 12pm 3AW’s newsroom discovered the teenage girl, who has tried several times to sell the images to media outlets including 3AW and had been in the news earlier in the morning, had seemingly given up hope of making a quick buck and resorted to posting them on her Facebook page."
http://www.3aw.com.au/blogs/3aw-generic-blog/naked-saints-grow-wings-online/20101221-193b4.html
You might like to read this blog.
http://juliettajameson.blogspot.com/2011/01/my-two-cents-worth.html?spref=fb
Just had a thought.
could try a social media experiment right here.
@brenda if you just ignored @Mrs J, and the rest of us did, perhaps they will go away?
Same goes for @zorro.
Perhaps if this had happened with Kim from the very beginning, then none of this would have happened?
;)
@Brenda you have no fluent responses, if you get caught out you just abuse. sad
@mumof4 I shall read, thankyou
@mumof4 ganging up in alliances? lol too funny
@mumof4
yes your are right we should just ignore.
and i did sit back and watch for the first wekk. shaking my head and thinking for gods sake some one get this girl help. she needs help not ridicule
and you know what? im sorry to say i was dumb enough to get angry about all these ppl standing up for this girl telling her to keep up the good fight.
there is no good fight out of this.
i just wish ppl would stop being so blind and accepting kims lies when they are so clearly lies. what kind of example is that sending to the thousands of youths following this?
and the moment you dont stick up for kim you get morons abusing you for being paid by st kilda or actually being from st kilda FC
OMG @MRS J
now we have alliances?
you have got to be off your rocker for sure yeh? or your just taking the piss?
again with the "if you dont support kim and tarnish all footballers everywhere you clearly are being paid by the footy clubs"
maybe ppl are just sick of kims lies and the hurt it has done to innocent ppl? and will no doubt continue to do.
lol
@brenda, as I say to my kids when they fight and argue with each other - they are only doing it because they know you will react.
Just ignore them and they shall grow tired of it pretty quickly.
I would love to see an enquiry to all this - and have it public.
At the start, Kim said on her video that it will all come out in the next few days - it's been what, 2 1/2 weeks now?
Now the following is just speculation on my part, but
I guess she realised that the move she was going to play in this game was pre-empted when a certain someone taped her dealings with them and made that known publicly.
Can't make unfounded accusations when there's proof that says otherwise, can we. ;)
If only Kim had been given decent advice, and if only she had listened and followed it.
Then she could have approached this in an entirely different manner, and could have achieved her goals without ruining what was left of her reputation.
She could have avoided making a public spectacle of herself, and avoided thousands of people online labelling her offensive and vile names.
@Brenda pretty much the second option, :)
and for the record.I'm not accepting of anything and Im not accusing supporters of being paid by any club.
Im obviously a lot older than you Brenda, My children are very well disciplined, polite and respectful, they are in there late teens."A" grade students. Does this mean Im a great mother or a lucky mother?
I have nursed so many teenagers that have attempted suicide or overdosed and been saved but to late. Left in a vegetive state for the rest of there lives.
Most from "loving families" or so they seem or maybe the families love to late who can say. I have learnt never to assume anything. I have seen the consequences.
I think that a teenager being condemed in public forums is disturbing. Unless you have actually walked in their shoes everything is speculation.
This whole saga will run its own course and at the end of the day if its a win to you by saying "I told you so" then so be it. But if it comes out that what is being said is true eg.pregnacy loss of babies etc. That is something that will affect her emotionally her whole life. I then personally wouldnt blame her for any of her actions.
Mumof4 your a social media plant
I dont believe your a Mumof4 at all your a St Kilda Astroturfer
I wouldnt be surprised if youre a bloke:)
Astroturfing is something that we all need to be aware of, in my opinion. It’s basically hijacking comment/forum threads and starting flame wars and stopping discussion.
http://somedaywewillsleep.com/astroturfing-dickileaks-and-why-perception-is-the-key-to-good-pr/
The PR blog picked it up by just observing our discussion
And Derryn if youre watching this is how low these St Kilda Assholes will stoop, organised propaganda , overwhelm the social media with your own people, repeating the same message over and over
Outrage about Kim's breach of Riewoldt's etc privacy is at the heart of much of the censure and bile directed at Kim.
Apparently what Riewoldt etc did in private should not be revealed to the public, but the same principle does not apply to Kim.
Nobody has expressed outrage about, or even noticed, the breach of Kim's privacy in comments identifying her as the alleged victim in a current criminal case mentioned above.
If she is the victim, it is a criminal offence to identify her.
It was not a criminal offence to publish the photos of Riewoldt etc. It is unlikely that publication of Riewoldt's etc photos is even actionable as a breach of privacy, as Australian law has yet to recognise a right to privacy as such.
If Kim is the victim in the criminal case others have been most unwisely discussing, it is probably also a contempt of court to discuss that case in the manner in which it has been discussed here.
It would be ironic, and a source of justifiable schadenfreude for some, if those guilty of identifying Kim as the victim in the criminal case they volunteered to the public at large found themselves having to pay Kim substantial damages for their breaches of civil law, as happened here http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/for-rape-victim/story-e6frf7kx-1111113275291
Should that happen, I expect that those people would follow the advice they have been urging upon Kim and not defend the proceedings brought against them by her as a result of their carelessness and or vindictiveness about the law applying to them when pursuing their prey; would accept counselling from the AFL, which has a long list of counselling successes headed most recently by Brendan Fevola; and would happily pay Kim for the next fifteen years to compensate her for the damage she has suffered at their hands, as St Kilda Football Club announced it will do to her.
FUCK OFF @PARENT
you get more moronic everyday
everyday ppl like myself are outraged by kim for outing herself and her identity
kim has outed herself online, by blog posts and streaming video she shot by herself whilst alone of her own choice. so if what your saying is she is a victim and it is a criminal offence to identify her then she is soley to blame and should be held accountable. and she is therefore also guilty of a crime
but your not gonna agree with that are you?
no because it doesnt work to your agenda.
at the end of the day if what your saying is true, then kim has comitted an offence by identifying herself.
@Parent
as quoted by you
"If she is the victim, it is a criminal offence to identify her."
so if kim is the victim do you Parent, finally admit she is guilty of a criminal offence?
@brenda
You said:
"so if kim is the victim do you Parent, finally admit she is guilty of a criminal offence?"
Since when has it been an offence for a victim to admit that he or she is a victim?
Following your novel line, it would be an offence for bank staff to admit that they had been the victims of an armed robbery.
While such an approach to criminal law would undoubtedly drive the crime rate down by discouraging victims from reporting crimes, it seems to owe more to Kafka than Blackstone.
@brenda and others
These discussions would progress more rationally if you and others respond to what has been said instead of responding to what you think, feel or believe but which has not been said
@brenda
And here is a perfect example of not responding rationally to what I said. You said "kim has outed herself online, by blog posts and streaming video she shot by herself whilst alone of her own choice. so if what your saying is she is a victim and it is a criminal offence to identify her then she is soley to blame and should be held accountable. and she is therefore also guilty of a crime"
That has nothing to do with allegations by some that she is the victim in current criminal proceedings which have been discussed here, or the prohibition I mentioned on identifying the victim in such proceedings.
Where, exactly, did Kim identify herself as the victim in the criminal proceedings which others have been unwisely discussing?
I haven't seen it anywhere.
As you're obviously much better informed than me on everything, no doubt you can refer me to the comment or post a link to exactly where Kim identified herself as the victim in those criminal proceedings?
Perhaps you could also post a link to, or present your own informed argument, on why it is permissible (a) for people to ignore the sub judice rule and discuss a current criminal proceeding here or elsewhere on the internet and (b) to identify a victim contrary to the Judicial Proceedings Reports Act 1958 (Vic).
The purpose of the Act is to protect victims who don't want to be identified. The purpose of the sub judice rule is to ensure that defendants aren't prejudiced by public comment.
The rights of both the victim and the defendant have been trampled upon by some unwise comments above. It would be prudent not to discuss further anything to do with current criminal proceedings.
@ Mrs J
I'm with you.
People who confuse understanding and compassion for people who've made mistakes with endorsing those mistakes fail to understand the distinction.
And that is abundantly clear in comments here.
@parent
I wouldnt be so sure there is outrage amongst the general public re Kims release of the photo's.
Rather it would seem to me that there is an orchestrated campaign by the club and its PR agents to public manipulate the issue so that it would appear there is outrage.
Plenty of folk including Kennett, Hinch, Ian Stewart and Bob Skilton have come out against the way she has been depicted by St Kilda
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/ian-stewart-and-bob-skilton-blast-st-kilda-over-nude-photo-scandal/story-e6frf7l6-1225977594656
Further the lack of any parental insight by commentators here who claim to be parents suggests that they are not parents at all. Rather they are agents of the St Kilda social media PR response.
Levine himself suggests it was just a tactic to bring her under control as anyone with any legal experience will realize the St Kilda threats against her have more to do with PR than real legal risks she needs address.
St Kilda have undertaken a blatant campaign to demonize and bully her in every way they can . Many in the legal and football fraternity , as well as the general public are appalled at St Kilda's handling of the matter.
I guess she realised that the move she was going to play in this game was pre-empted when a certain someone taped her dealings with them and made that known publicly.
Can't make unfounded accusations when there's proof that says otherwise, can we. ;)
If only Kim had been given decent advice, and if only she had listened and followed it.
Like the following quote from Mumof4 doing a great impersonation of one of the St Kilda lawyers
"Then she could have approached this in an entirely different manner, and could have achieved her goals without ruining what was left of her reputation.
She could have avoided making a public spectacle of herself, and avoided thousands of people online labelling her offensive and vile names."
Mumof4 St Kilda have further ruined their reputation with their high handed approach to a 17 year old girl . Many of us are completely outraged with the strategy thats been employed . You make the mistake of starting to believe your own PR, your indoctrination attempt has you drinking your own kool aid.
The commentary here has it about equally divided. In fact I would suggest her reputation within football circles is of zero interest to her. If you really want to fix the situation you need to talk to her about the things she cares about, trying to shame her and further denigrate her than she already has been is trying to deal with her in your frame work of influence not hers.
http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/playing-the-media-can-be-a-dangerous-game/#comment-290683
I would suggest the bullying tactics by St Kilda is hardening the resolve of many to help her. its extremely unlikely that anyones going to go away until the usage of these bullying tactics stop. Who ever is advising St Kilda professionally should be fired immediately.
St Kilda need to grow up and face the reality of the way they are running the club, sex parties seem to be taking precedents over the football. Young men like Lovett face lengthy sentences because they were put in circumstances they cannot handle. Football clubs with similar problems like Manchester United bought their situations under control by putting strict protocols in place as well as pro active off field management.
While St Kilda continue to see this as a one off incident and refuse to see the systemic issues involved , they will fail to address the underlying issues and suffer continue occurrences of similar incidents.
@parent
Which criminal court case are you referring to?
@parent
"Outrage about Kim's breach of Riewoldt's etc privacy is at the heart of much of the censure and bile directed at Kim."
Geez parent, you surely just made a goose of yourself there. You're complaning that people only read what they want to read yet you open an entire comment with this doozy.
You obviously haven't been following the discussion properly, or you're choosing to interpret things the way you want. I'm not particularly fussed about Reiwoldt's privacy, the photo is really a minor issue. What my issue is, is that some people believe a whole lot of nonsense coming from Kim, backed up by Hinch, and they seem to think that the photos somehow prove that the allegations Kim has made are true, despite being caught lying on a number of occassions.
So far, any questions I have asked have been largely ignored, obviously because the truth hurts, and since then we have dickheads like Zorro claiming that anyone who is against Kim must work for St Kilda.
Oh, by the way, I asked you the other day why you lumped me in the same group as the guys calling her a slut but you haven't responded to that yet.
@zorro, as much as you'd like to think, it is actually possible for someone to have a strong opinion on something, and NOT be paid for that opinion. :O
I have been wondering what future employment to look for, that can be flexible and done from home – perhaps I could get paid for my opinions! Thanks for the idea. ;)
Oh by the way, also THANKS very much for the link to the blog on astroturfing. I have never heard of that term, but I really am glad you linked me to that blog!
I would have commented very strongly on her blog piece about Dominos – because I too am disgusted that they make claims they have gluten free pizzas – when their sauces and toppings may not be gluten free, and when care is not taken with cross contamination. Also, the flour from making their other bases could become airborne – thus contaminating the gluten free bases.
I have a child with Coeliac disease, and am finding it so frustrating trying to educate the public (family, friends, school) that she cannot eat things like Dominos Pizzas – a Coeliac needs a STRICT gluten free diet, not one that contains traces.
I shall have to direct a lot of people to that blog piece. See, something good can come out of all this arguing. ;)
@parent “Nobody has expressed outrage about, or even noticed, the breach of Kim's privacy in comments identifying her as the alleged victim in a current criminal case mentioned above. “
Was it not Derryn Hinch who connected the dots and made us all aware? He has crossed the line – yet now he acts like he is on her side!!! Who is going to protect her from him!?
Kim is also responsible for making it known, publicly. Not only has she put her name out there, she has also put her image and mobile phone number out for all to see.
@parent “Where, exactly, did Kim identify herself as the victim in the criminal proceedings which others have been unwisely discussing? “
She linked Hinch's post about it to her twitter account.
The best thing for Kim to do is to remain quiet.
But yet, here she is again, stirring up trouble.
http://twitter.com/its_k_isabella/status/23010768840564736
http://twitter.com/its_k_isabella/status/23021134920294402
so not only is she now taunting another player, she's somehow managed to find money for a tattoo – yet not long ago was begging online for money for accommodation.
Braid
Be accurate :) Im not suggesting anyone against Kim is working for St Kilda Im just say some of the commentary is deeply suspicious. I accept there is a split down the middle of the community.
Im suggesting the way St Kilda has proceeded is a completely amateur, thats nothing to do with Kim. They seem to have very poor advise and management.
The criminal court case shes referring to has Kim as the victim and a police officer charged with 14 serious offences. This goes to court in Feb.
The problem is Braid a lot of stuff coming form Kim has some fairly solid footing. Yes shes told some porkies along the way, which has created a smoke screen across the real allegations. So it led people like you to believe everything is nonsense. I suggest if you dont know about the criminal charges you missing a big part of the picture
@Zorro
Why is the commentary suspicious? Because you read a blog on it? Can you be more specific to which parts make you suspicious? I just think when the comments go down this path, its pointless. I could accuse you of being Kim herself, but where would that get us?
What have St Kilda done that is amateur? What stuff coming from Kim has solid footing? How do you know this? What has she actually alleged?
I think any prudent person would come to the conclusion that once someone starts telling lies, then you need to question the remainder of their story.
Braid
Your right about the pointlessness of those kinds of claims. Yes I could be Kim and you could be as well :).
The whole handling of the matter is amateur, the fact that they dont have controls in place to stop this kind of thing happening. These kinds of risks are real for every sporting team in the world and there are well developed ways of handling these matters that a professional football side can put in place to avoid it happening.
A lot of footballers become idiots after a few beers. The lose judgement and left to their own devices with out strong disciplined management they can get themselves into all kinds of trouble. Its a key part of managing a football club and the St Kilda executive responsible for managing this. Despite this these young men and allowed to run riot without any mature guidance .
The American NFL sides all travel with social managers, usually tough old ex footballers who remain sober and supervise their nights out. They dont ruin the boys fun , they are their to get involved , provide guidance and keep the young fellas out of trouble.
Footballers can be the target of not just young woman but young men looking to knock a big name off the feet. They can also be the victims of their own behaviour and judgement.
I would suggest the whole thing would have been avoidable with "best practice" management practices in place. Ive played these kinds of roles in other sporting codes myself.
I would suggest that given the right intervention this could still be solved. Nothing is gained by the kind of strategy that St Kilda have employed , it self evidently creates further confrontation. The idea is to lower the potential for conflict not raise it.
Levin is failing to implement controls designed to protect his club, his players and who they encounter. He is a complete goose.
What "thing" or "matter" are you talking about? The photos?
The problem with the issue now is that no matter what the Saints or AFL do, it's going to be perceived by someone as the wrong thing. Reading other people's twitter accounts yesterday, some people were willing to accept that the AFL did offer Kim councelling....but only to sweep things under the carpet. Other people said that because they were heavy-handed in their threats, then they are just bullys (even though they had to do something to get through to the girl). Others have said that staying silent on the issue is a sign of guilt, while any comment they make is just spin. It's just ridiculous, as all this has stemmed from some unfounded allegations from the girl, backed up by Hinch (who I am still waiting for a reply to an email from, by the way. I won't hold my breath!)
@Zorro
I'll ask again. What stuff coming from Kim has solid footing? How do you know this?
@zorro,
please do us a favour and listen to the audio from Amber Petty
http://www.fiveaa.com.au/audio_photo-scandal-girl-talks-to-amber-petty_100559
and
Matt Parkinson
http://www.abc.net.au/local/audio/2010/12/21/3098295.htm
Shane McInnes
http://www.3aw.com.au/displayPopUpPlayerAction.action?&url=http://media.mytalk.com.au/3AW/AUDIO/201210_Naked_Images_Scandal.mp3
To lie once, because you were backed into a corner and hadn't had time to think through your answer might be forgiven - but to keep up the lies with different people is not okay.
It's not just the people who have interviewed that are being lied to - it's the Australian public, and more sadly, it's to herself.
I do feel sorry for her in a way - it's possible she is living in some kind of fantasy world, and actually believes she was there when those photos were taken.
Derryn Hinch needs to put his need for a headline aside, and he should encourage her to seek an assessment and to get some help.
Someone who lies about being pregnant (count back 21 weeks from October 5 and you will find she was not pregnant back in May) obviously has some deep serious issues going on that needs addressing ASAP.
She needs to do the right thing by herself and present to her nearest ED and ask for a psych consult.
@Mumof4
You stole my bit about Hinch! Damn, we'll have to make sure we don't get our wires crossed at the next St Kilda astrosurf meeting ;-)
braid
the police must have believed her , they have 14 charged heading for court against one of their own in Feb
I doubt if the AFL would have met with her 20 times if the issues were a figment of her imagination
the AFL have not disputed any of her story except the photo's and how she came to have them. How did she know they were there? I reckon the she was shown them and she took the opportunity to send them to herself
Believed her about what? This has got nothing to do with the other court case with the cop. I am talking about the Saints. Are you being deliberately elusive?
If the AFL simply ignored a girl who has some obvious issues, people would be criticising them for not providing duty of care. They have tried to look after her but they still get criticised. The AFL staying silent on the matter, which is actually them NOT wanting to discredit the girl in the public eye, is not any admission of guilt.
Yes, she knew the photos were there. She sent them to herself. No one is disputing that. Seriously, what is your point?
@zorro
Can I ask you something?
If someone was extremely mentally unstable and believed all sorts of things - would you publicly out them, thus risking pushing her over the edge, and looking like a bastard to the Australian public,
or would you ignore her, and hope she went away, but alas you cannot because she has stolen some embarrassing photos,
or would you try to offer this person some help and hope they take up the offer?
Psychiatrist and Psychologist bills aren't cheap (looking around $200 for half an hour for a good Dr)
What do you suggest someone does in this situation?
No matter what action they choose - they will come off looking bad.
Also, if it wasn't an AFL player, it could have been someone else 'famous'.
Kim has claimed in the Amber Petty interview that famous people and her have a special connection - they find her.
Which I find extremely sad - she doesn't have that unique beauty radiating out - she looks like a lot of young women I know, she's pretty average looking to be honest, yet she has herself up on a pedestal thinking she must be some kind of goddess to the 'famous'.
My point is that the club is out control . Multiple rape claims, multiple pregnancy claims, the problem is with the club, young men with that much money and ego will find trouble every time.
Many woman become mentally unstable after later term baby losses , is she unstable or is she suffering and illness or is she simply angry about how she being treated.(none of us sufficient information to know) If she in fact lost two babies late term babies then St Kilda's behavior is beyond reprehensible, even if shes lost one it would be bad enough. This kind of thing is well known to kick off mental health episodes . 1/4 of people will suffer from some kind of mental illness in their lives , if this is the case it multiples the reasons she shouldnt treated like she has been
Most 16-17 year olds would be off their heads going through what shes been through. Any of these episodes could kick of a bipolar condition any age groups, she seems to find it hard to sleep, she seems to be bounce regularly between depression and low level mania, there are elements of self harm evident (and you want to talk to her about her reputation ? good luck with that)
yet people want to carry on about her reputation and denigrate her, if St Kilda players have kicked off this kind cycle then they have every responsibility to pay all her medical bills, if the reports are true they we taunting her with texts then while they were aware of this then damn them to hell.
Yet people want to denigrate her, if hypothetically she was unstable with a bonfide mental illness and I had that information I wouldn't stand out the front of a court house threatening her. if thats the case Levin and he new that to be the case Levin should resign immediately. No amount of threats to anyone with mental illness is justified, no matter what the circumstances. if it was the case they are lucky she didnt release them all.
While we are on the subject some of the footballers need some urgent counselling. its one thing sharing your videos with a trusted partner (many celebs have come unstuck even then) its another taking video and pictures of your naked team mates and sharing them with your 16 year old female friend.
Like I said much earlier , depending on the facts of the matter the girl needs to be paid out and looked after, Then the football club needs to be overhauled. I have many friends who do this professionally in union and league, they agree with me that St kilda is being very poorly managed to have these things arise.
My overall point is that St Kilda is run by a bunch of incompetent amateurs. This kind of thing could happen at any club in any code, its central to the St Kilda managements job to make sure it doesn't happen.
Whatever happens with Kim they need to be accountable for these failures.
I stopped reading that after your first "if".
I count two rapes claims, one which led a player to be sacked immediately, and one pregnancy claim. Can you fill in the rest for me please?
In order to avoid further mental health issues, how do you think the club should have treated her?
Milne was investigated for rape and the detective claims they were dropped after pressure was exerted by the club, The Detective says Milne had a case to answer
@Zorro
Are you doing this on purpose? I have counted the Mile case, and the Lovett case, which he was sacked immediately. What more did you want the club to do?
Which other pregnancy case was there?
@Zorro - "Whatever happens with Kim they need to be accountable for these failures"
The guy i slept with I was 17 wasn't accountable for me afterwards, why is it different because perhaps someone plays football?
Just like millions of other teenage girls around the country and world, I took responsibility for my own actions, why should we treat her any differently?
Why do they need to pay her out? Because she doesn't want to work like the rest of us?
People with mental illness work too you know!
They haven't caused her mental illness or caused her to do MANY things illegally UNDER THE AGE of 18!!!
She has gone on radio and bragged about going to nightclubs with fake ID since she was 15.
- is this the AFL's fault? Or the nightclub owners? Or the older friends she went out with?
If she has bipolar - then she is genetically predisposed - is this the ALF's fault? Or her family's?
She admits online to drinking underage - is this the AFL's fault? or those who supplied who the alcohol?
She is pictured holding a cigarette (when she is supposedly pregnant - SHAME on you) at a pub - is this the AFL's fault? or the fault of the person who supplied this cigarette?
She has a tattoo and is under 18 - is this the AFL's fault? or the fault of the tattooist?
She has unprotected sex - is this the AFL's fault? or the fault of her partner?
Why is it the ALF's fault? Because they have money that she WANTS?
Derryn Hinch is convinced the catalyst for all this was the school footy clinic.
I wouldn't be so sure Hinch. Talk about lazy journalism. How about using that brain of yours instead of exploiting a 17 year old - I bet you she didn't have a guardian with her at that lunch you had with her the other day.
At some point in her life - she is going to have to wake up and start taking responsibility for her choices.
She can't hide behind being under 18 when she has KNOWINGLY broken MANY laws NUMEROUS times.
Whose fault is that @zorro?
Derryn will just say he thought she was 25 ;-)
Mumof4
there you got slagging her off again, not a word about the players, the these young woman are just there for AFL guys to harvest , then throw them on the scrap heap no matter what the damage thats been done. Thats what happens to 16 year old girls, thats our culture (ask Maree) .
You watch she will get her compensation , St Kilda will be forced to manage their teams like other codes all over the world.
Braid I agree with your count, the rapes are happening because of the attitudes within the club and the lack of supervision. young men with almost unlimited access to money are being let lose on drunken rampages within the community. This type of thing is not unique to the AFL it happens in all codes globally. What is unique at St Kilda is they have failed to effectively implement policies to protect these young woman and their own players. The homo erotic thing is not very common though, in the end gay play is not illegal but its probably not helping their game much.
Apparently St Kilda think they are different to all football codes globally and they can just let their boys loose. They are learning they cant and things will continue as they are till the grow up.
The rapes happened because two guys tried to force themselves on to women. One player was sacked immediately. What more can the club do?
You're right, some players with too much money do act up - that is never going to change and it happens with young men everywhere, not just footy clubs. I still don't understand why this is a club issue, especially when they did sack a player before he was even convicted.
@mumof4 you spend a lot of time on a blog. Everyone else has breaks , not you.
no wonder you make comments such as
"@brenda, as I say to my kids when they fight and argue with each other - they are only doing it because they know you will react.
Just ignore them and they shall grow tired of it pretty quickly "
your to busy on here degrading a teenage girl to do anything else but ignor them lol
Priorities? Or is it as zorro says - this is your priority - certainly appears that way.
What difference does it make how often she posts? It seems a common excuse for Kim supporters to just ignore what is said, and attack the poster for picking on someone, or commenting too much.
Hey MRS J you didn't stop and think that my kids might all be away on holidays with family?
Or that I pop online every now and then to surf the net?
Housework and cooking can be tedious - the net helps break my day up.
Oh BTW, @zorro and @Mrs J you both seem to have a few things in common -
* similar writing styles,
* similar mistake with grammar,
* forgetting to use capitals to start some sentences,
* similar mistakes with words - using 'your' instead of 'you're' and 'to' instead of 'too'.
Very basic rules of the english language. ;)
@mumof4 zorro and I have the same writing styles....really this is all the defence you have...lol..absolutely pathetic
Quote
"Or that I pop online every now and then to surf the net?"
every now and then? you are obsessed with Kim
Now the old attack on grammer and spelling mistakes .....? I didnt realize that you would degenerate to such a nit picking level. Desperate anyone?
@Braid , can you substantiate that claim by posting references? or is that just a generalization on your behalf?
@Braid the reason why it does make a difference on how often she posts is because she asserts herself as a mother of 4 with superior parenting skills.
what mother of 4 has the time or inclination to be so obsessed with belittling a teen?
quote mumof4 "as I say to my kids when they fight and argue with each other - they are only doing it because they know you will react."
its called supervision.......
@MrsJ
I can subtantiate that claim. Click this link;
http://kimduthie.blogspot.com/
Then read the comments :-)
@Braid nothing there referiing to you substantiating it...no surprise
mumof4
Im semi dyslexic :) you still write like a lawyer
I would take Mrs J's observations further , as a father of 5 adult children ignoring your kids fighting , assuming they are doing it for attention sounds a tad theoretical for a mumof4
strategies like ignoring them in real life rarely work :) you have to be way more creative in real parenting situations....
WHO Weekly has her having sex with her amazing boyfriend smashed of her face drunk with the rest of the team pleading for head jobs
great guys these St Kilda guys, men that you can admire
scum of the earth bogans
I think you'll find you guys are posting a lot more than me. ;)
You say I am obsessed?! What does that make you?
(the old childish, I know you are, you said you are, so what am I :P )
Sorry to point out your english errors - I have kept quiet up until now, but it stands out in each of your posts and distracts me from reading what you are actually trying to say, so I sometimes miss your points.
And does WHO use such words as she 'claims' this happened, and she 'says' this happened. They're not interested in Kim - they're just interested in selling a few extra copies and she's certainly helping them by twittering it to 12,000+ followers.
It's a pity she didn't have a close relationship with an adult she felt she could trust and turn to, and use one of her many mobiles to call out for some help.
Earlier Kim twitted that a bunch of 13 year olds were just jealous of her.
Can I ask her what she think she's got that makes her something for others to be jealous of? From where the rest of us are - she's got nothing that any one would ever want.
Sorry Kim, but I have a 13 year old who I have been filling in bits and pieces of the stories - didn't go into too much detail
but she finds your life somewhat amusing, as I am sure a lot of your peers do.
We've actually taken all of this as a valuable teaching lesson for our kids on what NOT to do on the internet - especially about how dangerous it is to put your mobile number on it, and twit your locations (but we know she's just playing a silly game and wouldn't be that stupid, would she.) We've also talked about how it's important to respect yourself, and not allow others to use you just because other people think they are famous.
I am sure it will also be used by many schools in their education programs.
I can also imagine it being used at Universities as a case study in many different subjects.
@Braid
"I think any prudent person would come to the conclusion that once someone starts telling lies, then you need to question the remainder of their story."
So why aren't you and others questioning Riewoldt's clear lies about how the photo came to be taken, and everything based on that?
He put that forward in a press conference carefully stage-managed by St Kilda after ample time for preparation in consultation with its spin doctors, but it was still a patent lie for anyone who has seen the photo.
Given your reasonable view that "once someone starts telling lies, then you need to question the remainder of their story", why should anyone take any notice of what Riewoldt, St Kilda or the AFL say?
I would have thought that any prudent person would see that both sides are lying, to an extent which none of us can determine, but that the actions of St Kilda and the AFL suggest that they have something to be afraid of from Kim which threatens their brand.
Otherwise, why would the AFL bother to meet with her at all, let alone the twenty times the AFL claims to have met with her over an issue which they say has nothing to with the AFL or St Kilda as it was consensual sex with St Kilda players which had nothing to do with their status as St Kilda players?
What? How is Reiwoldt lying about how the photo came to be taken? He said he had just woken up, or something. Whaty exactly does the photo tell you that proves he was lying?
Perhaps you could find the time to respond to one of the several comments I have directed at you in the last few days, instead of talking about more irrelevant crap.
Which court case were you referring to earlier, when you questioned why no one is outraged about those not protecting Kim's privacy?
The silly thing is about parent's claim (again) is that he accuses the AFL of something because they met with the girl 20 times, yet if they did nothing, he'd be on to them for attempting to sweep it under the carpet. Or the fact they have tried to handle the matter behind closed doors is apparently poor, yet if they take it to the public arena, like a stage-managed press conference, they're in the wrong too.
Face it parent, you haven't got a grasp of what is going on. You're happy to shoot your mouth off about the issue but you are really failing to understand the simplest logic.
@Braid
"What? How is Reiwoldt lying about how the photo came to be taken? He said he had just woken up, or something. Whaty exactly does the photo tell you that proves he was lying?"
When I wake up in the nude and hop out of bed as innocently as Riewoldt said he did, I don't have a grinning mate holding a franger packet in front of my dick with another mate photographing it while I make a stupid face while clutching my wedding tackle.
I've spent years in lots of exclusively male environments such as the army and shearing sheds and I've never seen anything even remotely like that.
Of course, that was about 40 years ago when Vietnam wasn't a tourist destination and men didn't shave their pubes and photograph each other in the circumstances beloved of Gilbert et al, although we had plenty of opportunities in shared showers and shitting over shit pits with just a log under our arses while other blokes were lined up waiting for a shit.
I guess that makes my generation of men the odd ones out. And I'm bloody glad it did!
@ Braid
"Which court case were you referring to earlier ...
Nice try, troll.
Usually you're a bit more subtle.
I'm not going to infringe the sub judice rule.
@Braid
"The silly thing is about parent's claim (again) is that he accuses the AFL of something because they met with the girl 20 times, yet if they did nothing, he'd be on to them for attempting to sweep it under the carpet. Or the fact they have tried to handle the matter behind closed doors is apparently poor, yet if they take it to the public arena, like a stage-managed press conference, they're in the wrong too."
How about dealing with what I said instead of what you think I would have said in different circumstances?
@ Braid
"Face it parent, you haven't got a grasp of what is going on. You're happy to shoot your mouth off about the issue but you are really failing to understand the simplest logic. "
Don't feed the troll.
@Braid
Interesting user name.
Braid in Victoria Police means officers, i.e. inspector and above.
Victoria Police's history with St Kilda and the AFL is somewhat murky, going back to the detectives who believed their investigation into the Milne rape allegations were nobbled by senior officers.
Would you be one of the braid involved in trying to derail that previous instance of allegedly consensual sex (as is asserted by the two players in Kim's case) with a couple of completely innocent St Kilda players, as you have been trying to derail this thread?
"The case against Milne and Montagna suddenly collapsed just days after speculation that police were on the verge of charging the two players.
In 2004 it was alleged the players had engaged in consensual sex with two women before trying to swap partners, this lead one of the women involved to speak with police about the incident which occurred in March, 2004.
Police now admit the lead investigator of Saints rape charge complained about senior interference six years ago.
Former detective Sen-Det Scott Gladman claims that a 2004 rape charge against Saints star Stephen Milne collapsed amid a campaign of threats and intimidation from inside Victoria Police and by powerful club backers." http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/st-kilda-players-in-shock-sex-cover-up-claim/story-e6frf7jo-1225882432318
@parent
"When I wake up in the nude and hop out of bed as innocently as Riewoldt said he did, I don't have a grinning mate holding a franger packet in front of my dick with another mate photographing it while I make a stupid face while clutching my wedding tackle."
Really? YOU don't do that? Well, that proves Reiwoldt was lying then, doesn't it!
@parent
I'm not trying to trick you in to saying anything. You claimed earlier that others had invaded the privacy of Kim by naming her as the victim of another pending court case. Is this the same case that Derryn Hinch refers to repeatdely?
@parent
Braid is the name of the street I live on. I guess because you don't live on a Braid Street, then I must be lying.
And those links to the Milne case prove what exactly? That Reiwoldt lied?
I would have thought a troll is one who constantly mouths off, yet fails to respond to anything adequately, which is clearly what you're doing.
@Braid
"Perhaps you could find the time to respond to one of the several comments I have directed at you in the last few days, instead of talking about more irrelevant crap."
I have ample time to respond to intelligent and reasonable questions.
I won't waste my time responding to irrelavant crap, notably your trolling comments clearly designed to derail a reasonable discussion of the issues concerning Kim.
For a while I thought that some people here were extreme in identifying you as a St Kilda dupe. Yet the more I see of your posts, the more I am forced to infer that you are either a besotted and irrational St Kilda fan or, worse and more likely from your calculated and clever trolling posts, someone committed to trolling here to consolidate the damage St Kilda has tried to do to Kim. Or to try to minimise the damage St Kilda (and the AFL) has done to itself by its clumsy and belligerent response to a girl which St Kilda (and the AFL) assert has a mental problem yet they choose to present her as the devil incarnate who needs to be ground into the legal dust for the next fifteen years, which doesn't sit well with the recognition that she is a nut who needs the counselling offered by a sympathetic and understanding AFL which has only her best interests at heart. The most dominant of which appears to be grinding her into legal dust for the next fifteen years, which is a treatment for all forms of mental disorder recognised by all the leading mental health authorities at ... ... ... Ah, yes, St Kilda and the AFL.
@Braid
"Really? YOU don't do that? Well, that proves Reiwoldt was lying then, doesn't it!"
The more you try to defend the absurdly indefensible, the stronger you make the case that you're just trolling in support of St Kilda & Co.
Unless, of course, you and your mates leap out of bed every morning to be greeted by an eager mate with a franger packet and a photographer, which all normal blokes have in their bedroom every morning.
Yeah. Right!
@ Braid
"And those links to the Milne case prove what exactly?"
What they say.
"That Reiwoldt lied?"
No. He did that all by himself, for anyone who has seen the relevant picture.
@parent
It's not about me! You said Reiwoldt was lying. I asked why. You said it's not something you would do. THAT DOES NOT PROVE REIWOLDT IS LYING!
I know you trying to attribute me to being connected to the Saints or the AFL is just a convenient way of you avoiding answering any questions, but if you didn't have such a hard time comprehending logic, you'd see I've been entirely consistent through out these discussions. Not in bad mouthing Kim, but in asking people how and why they come up with some of these spurious claims. Claims from people like Zorro, who clearly stated several times that the photos prove that Kim had group sex with the players, or claims by you that because you don't do something, it must mean that Reiwoldt is lying.
Then of course there is the comment from you, querying why everyone is not protecting Kim's privacy regarding her imending courtcase, when it was Hinch who was the one who "connected the dots" between Kim and the other case in the first place.
You can continue to try and link me to whatever sporting body you like but I am satisfied in the way I have been handling myself, unlike you, who continues to sidestep issues whenever convenient.
@parent
"And those links to the Milne case prove what exactly?"
What they say.
"That Reiwoldt lied?"
No. He did that all by himself, for anyone who has seen the relevant picture.
Good for you. More avoiding answering questions. And you call me a troll? You're weak as piss.
@Braid
"I would have thought a troll is one who constantly mouths off, yet fails to respond to anything adequately, which is clearly what you're doing."
No, in this context it's just someone like you who tries to derail a discussion by posting and asking questions which seek to divert people from the real issues.
Which is exactly what St Kilda and the AFL want at the moment, as they've been stunningly silent for the past few weeks after a few own goals with their contradictory legal and media assaults on a girl who, according to them, is a hopeless nutcase.
And exactly what you've been doing.
@ Braid
"Good for you. More avoiding answering questions. And you call me a troll? You're weak as piss."
Can't you move on beyond the first few chapters of the standard texts on trolling?
You asked questions.
I answered them.
It's not my problem if you don't like the answers.
I'm pleased by you throwing in the 'weak as piss' comment. Trolls invariably resort to personal invective when they've completely lost the argument.
You really need to get beyond the first few chapters in "Trolling for Dummies".
So I ask questions, repeatedly, and you fail to answer them, repeatedly, because you fear I work for the Saints? Is that really your reasoning?
Humour me, what if I do work for the Saints? How is answering my questions going to make a lick of difference to anything that is going on? What exactly about that hypothetical situation has got you so scared that it means you just can't answer a simple question or back up any of your claims?
Lost what argument? I asked you how you know Reiwoldt lied. You have not answered that question. I haven't lost any argument.
I threw in the "weak as piss" comment because its the best way of summing a person who continuallt refuses to answer a question, possibly because they have realised they have backed themselves in to a corner from which they can't fight their way out of.
Is there any need to ask you about your court case comment again or will you avoid answering it with some irrelevant crap again?
@Braid
"It's not about me! You said Reiwoldt was lying. I asked why. You said it's not something you would do. THAT DOES NOT PROVE REIWOLDT IS LYING!"
Your opening sentence tells us that it really is all about you. Nobody has made that allegation. By volunteering it, you have revealed what is really motivating your comments here.
You're just seeking attention in Kim's widely read blog by your posts prattling on about nothing of factual or logical importance in this issue.
Regardless, I'll humour you as you seem to crave the attention you get from silly comments on the internet, some of which I hope can be attributed to you being drunk.
All of which makes you a so much better person than Kim.
My point was not what I would have done but that Riewoldt said he was photographed after innocently getting out of bed naked.
Explain the teammate with the franger packet and Riewoldt posing with his hands around his gear and his mate with the franger packet close to Riewoldt's knob.
It's a lie to tell people who haven't seen the photograph that he's just a bloke who got out of bed and was snapped. But that's what he and St Kilda tried to achieve by their carefully managed press conference.
If so, and if there was nothing guilty in it, why did Riewoldt tell Gilbert to delete the photo?
@ Braid
"Is there any need to ask you about your court case comment again or will you avoid answering it with some irrelevant crap again?"
What, exactly, is your question?
@Braid
"I threw in the "weak as piss" comment because its the best way of summing a person who continuallt refuses to answer a question, possibly because they have realised they have backed themselves in to a corner from which they can't fight their way out of."
Congratulations.
You've obviously moved on from Chapter 4 to Chapter 5 of "Trolling for Dummies".
Alas, I don't respond to the introduction of inflammatory comments by trolls, especially when, as with so many of your comments, they serve no purpose other than to derail the discussion.
Try Chapter 6.
@Braid
"Humour me, what if I do work for the Saints? How is answering my questions going to make a lick of difference to anything that is going on? What exactly about that hypothetical situation has got you so scared that it means you just can't answer a simple question or back up any of your claims?"
Specify the claims I've failed to back up, with references to where I made them so everybody knows what you're talking about.
Because I don't.
@Braid
Give it away mate your'e making a fool of yourself
Mumof4
It will also be used by professional sports administrators to show how NOT to run a football club or a case study of what can happen to misogynistic footballers with gay homo-erotic tendencies when they want to take pictures of each other.
St Kilda are a complete disgrace to the AFL and Australian men in general.
You can focus all you like on Kim the reality is the St Kilda footballers who have depicted themselves as drunks, rapists and the worst kind of misogynist pricks you could ever imagine.
@parent
"Specify the claims I've failed to back up, with references to where I made them so everybody knows what you're talking about."
1. I have asked you repeatedly to explain how you KNOW Reiwoldt is lying. So far, you have said you wouldn't do it, asked if I would do it, and now you've suggested because he asked for the photo to be deleted, that must be mean his explanation that it was innocent fun must be untrue (which is silly, because even if it was the most innocent bit of fun, the photo is still quite embarrasing.)
Keep in mind this started with my reference to Kim lying about the provenance of the photo, and that there is proof she lied. Anyone that still thinks she took the photo, despite her saying she did, is a moron. I want the same sort of proof from you, as you are the one announcing he is lying. And please don't try the "well you weren't there so you can't actually prove it either" nonsense.
2. You complained before that no one was affording Kim her right to privacy regarding an upcoming court case with the comments people were making, naming her as the victim. You then said it was illegal to name her. I asked you which court case you were referring to, and if it was the same one which Hinch connected the dots on in one of his article. So my question is, are you referring to the same court case that Hinch referred to in his website?
@parent
hahahahahahahaha oh man, you make this too easy. I feel guilty for you calling me clever because I really can't say the same about you. Let me explain.
I asked you how you knew Reiwoldt was lying. After you said that it's not something you would do, you then said to me;
"Unless, of course, you and your mates leap out of bed every morning to be greeted by an eager mate with a franger..."
I responded by saying;
"It's not about me!" meaning, whatever I do in the privacy of my own home is not relevant here, and is on no way proof of anyone lying.
But then you went on to say;
"Your opening sentence tells us that it really is all about you. Nobody has made that allegation. By volunteering it, you have revealed what is really motivating your comments here."
So you see, you did actually try and make it about me, yet somehow, in your tiny little brain, you decided that me trying to take myself out of the discussion is somehow me wanting to make the discussion about myself. Brilliant!! How did you possibly come to that decision!
Reiwoldt's bed was made you can harp on as much as you like on this site but no one believes he just jumped out of bed.
The other guy was wanking for the camera.
How do you get picture like that unless hes turned on and he wants the shot taken
So we woke up someone grabbed a franger and they posed for the picture....yeah right
or maybe there is another story that fits the puzzle
They were all wanking together and the photo is picture them about to commence
The franger is for later when things go further to make is safe ?
Yes, Zorro, they were all about to have a wank. That's why Dawson hadn't bothered to take his pants off, but thought "I know, I'm going to place a condom on my boyfriend's penis in case he feels like having sex with me after we all wank."
I'm not condoning the behaviour as it isn't something I would do, but Reiwoldt's version of events, in that he had just woken up naked and posed for a silly photo, is perfectly believable, whether or not the bed was made.
Zorro, you have been another to say the photos prove that Kim had group sex with the players. If that is the type of logic you come up with, please don't bother making any more comments.
Braid
The beds not turned down and its made like they do at hotels, so it is most probably PM not AM
Dawson has probably just arrived so he is only partially undressed. He has pulled out a condom ready to put it on his boyfriends after earlier in the day shaving his balls for him, which probably makes him the taker not the giver.
You keep saying that I say the photo proves that she had group sex with them........although I dont doubt she did the photo has been proven to be taken in a Miami hotel.........and since she's never been to Miami it doesnt prove anything to do with Kim
All it proves is that St Kilda are a team of bi sexual wankers .
I think the unmade bed proves he tells porkies , the picture proves he likes them
@Zorro
How do you know that is the bed Reiwoldt slept in? Could it not be a twin room and that bed is Dawson's, who got up earlier and showered and dressed? The bed, or what you can see of it, is certainly not neat. Could whoever slept there have got out the other side, which we can't see?
Does the look on Reiwoldts face not look like someone who was just woken up? If they are in the middle of some gay sex games, why does he not have an erection?
The photos do not disprove Reiwoldts version of events, end of story.
@zorro says "Reiwoldt's bed was made you can harp on as much as you like on this site but no one believes he just jumped out of bed. "
I guess you haven't stayed in many hotel/motels then.
In the photos it clearly shows the pillows messed up and the bed is NOT made.
Check out the photos online of the hotel and look at how a made bed actually looks like.
They show Dawson making ready a condom for Reiwoldt who shave his pubic hair (a common practice among gays)
I checked the photos the beds made its obvious it has not been slept in......
what other explanation is there , how come Dawson just happend to have a condom in his hand
There is nothing wrong with being gay they should just own it and be proud of it
St Kilda could even make money out of it as I suggested, not only the first out gay players but the first out gay team!
@Zorro and Parent.
have you noticed under the latest blog mumof4 is missing and Braid is rather mute after being repetitively shot down.. Yet parents of teenagers are becoming way more prominant..and surprise surprise they are all condeming the actions and expressing there utter disgust at people that are focused on publicly belittling a teen.
I never follow AFL but if these teen degrading grubs are a representation of St Kilda followers...I certainly havn't missed anything.
@parrots1
Oh, I'm sorry, is me having a busier day and heading out for dinner some sort of victory for you?
Did you happen to notice that the questions I have asked parent to answer several times have still been ignored, yet he is active in the commets on another blog?
Please point out where I have been "repetitively shot down." It's mainly been parent avoiding questions, and Zorro failing to understand English, but yeah, it's me that has been shot down hahahahahaha
Whats the matter, parent? Not so mouthy any more? Don't have the guts to answer the questions, or you can see how stupid you were being in the first place and have run away in a puff of embarrassment?
I think it's quite cowardly for you to disappear from this, and just leave Zorro and his extra chromosome to fight the battle for you. At least Mumof4 has values and integrity which she can pass on to her kids. All you've taught yours is to abuse people that don't agree with you.
Weak. As. Piss.
@Braid
I've posted answers.
They've been deleted by Kim or whoever is administering this blog.
I am seriously pissed off.
Be interesting to see if this comment remains.
Post them again then. Why would your comments, which are supporting Kim, be deleted?
@Braid
I have no idea why they would be deleted, but I've had several supportive comments deleted. At least one other poster supportive of Kim has had a post deleted and was also puzzled by it. http://kimduthie.blogspot.com/2011/01/what-really-gets-to-me.html?showComment=1294459164618#c7411285699661759996
Maybe the blogs are hacked. Maybe Kim or those advising or assisting her didn't want the posts to appear, for whatever reason.
I don't have a problem with Kim controlling her own blog, but I dislike it when it allows the impression you put forward that I'm not prepared to respond to your questions.
I can't be bothered reproducing my detailed answer to your questions.
Here is a short version. Maybe it'll survive the censors.
1. Blind Freddie can see that Riewodlt lied about the circumstances in which the photo was taken.
2. No. I'm referring to the case mentioned by posters in this blog.
And here we go again. Reiwoldt lied because Blind Freddie can see he lied? Honestly, do you always form a conclusion than look for reasons why as an afterthought?
I don't know of another court case being mentioned. Is it the one involving the policeman? Can you please be specific? And please, don't bother with your lack of knowledge of the legalities of talking about a court case - just asnwer the question.
By the way, Blind Freddie can see you're lying about your responses to me being deleted.
@Braid
I've answered your questions.
I'm not engaging further with your trolling.
Pop over to Kim's latest blog and support iCoach 2.0. He's making a fool of himself. With your help, he can make a total fool of himself. As can you.
@Braid
"By the way, Blind Freddie can see you're lying about your responses to me being deleted."
You appear to be even blinder than Blind Freddie.
I repeat: I'm not engaging further with your trolling.
@parent
Why don't you go in to the other thread and find all those people who are asking iCoach questions (which he is failing to answer, just like you) and call them trolls? Because that's really all you're doing to me.
Great to see you and all your supporters at training today... oh wait you had none.
In regards to your tweet "banners were good" is throwing unwanted pieces of paper on the ground littering the area good?
Now you claim that the pics were emailed to you and NOT taken by yourself? Why lie?
If your family, your mother and father who brought you into this world, the people who know you better than anyone else does reject you why do you expect us to believe you?
Close your legs and grow up child.
A clever poster on another forum wrote this...
"Should we believe the word of an organisation that signed an agreement with the police to hide information, and should we believe the word of a known liar like Ricky Nixon, and what about the players who are clearly into homosexual weird things (what do you call it when men masturbate together?) and they refuse to admit that their sexual antics are anything but normal. Would I believe the AFL, when it takes 10 pages on Wikipaedia to list their misdemeanour's. Would I believe the AFL when they have a proven record of paying off the victims of sexual crimes committed by their players.
I find it easy to believe the one single lie of a 16 year old made up to protect herself.
Now, look who's got the record for porkies!"
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And I quite agree with her.
Kim, ignore the haters,and just know we are watching over you and supporting you always.
xx
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